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[the sniderman]

Boris Johnson quote from today: "Let the healing begin."

Is Boris... @the sniderman ?

do u wanting CRUSHING bozo??

 

[roydo]

Obviously that is not the only reason, but if you ask a lot of folk, they may say "I don't follow politics" and are perhaps influenced by the media they either listen to, or read. I do think that, although a lot of people when presented with the Labour manifesto would agree with it until they were told that it was Labour proposals. I do not agree with the labour supporters who argue that all the people who voted for brexit,(which in my view is the main reason Labour lost) are class traitors or stupid etc. The party needs to engage with folk who usually vote for them but have turned to the Tories......and build a strong opposition to fight the divisive Tory policies which I believe are going to be visited on this country in the next 5 years, Where in the Tory manifesto does it talk about helping those who are disabled, vulnerable, on slave wages, victims of a divisive benefits sanction system, or investing properly in an infrastructure which will create proper jobs and opportunities?

Sorry, but the last 3 1/2 years of brexit means everyone follows politics.

I downloaded the Labour manifesto (the only one I did), read it, and kinda liked the tone, but not the nationalisation stuff, nor the nicking 10% of folks shares. Then the blatant Waspi bribe, (uncosted) came up. Then the shadow chancellor banged on about reinventing capitalism on Marr, just told me this is 1970s revisited.

Their brexit stance was bewildering.

Johnson has been handed a gold plated chance to actually deliver good stuff into those Labour heartlands, and if he/they do, then crikey, he may form a power base there in 5 years time. Whether he does or not is a moot point, granted.

 

[Cardano]

People are currently protesting in london about the election result.

Again......

Do people not understand democracy? It's bloody embarrassing now , a vote is fine only if you win it seems. No matter how much in the minority you are.

The thing is though, something which seems to have been ignored in this country over the last few years, is that the political theory of ‘democracy’ isn’t just winner-takes-all, the majority can crush the minority and mob role.

True democracy is supposed to also take into account minorities and to protect them and their views. That was definitely forgotten after the EU referendum.

Maybe that’s the point these protestors are trying to make?

 

[the sniderman]

i would like the mods of grandoldteam.com to be transparent about their political views so we can be sure that those who govern over evertons biggest and best online community are serving its people. thank u.

 

[dholliday]

do u wanting CRUSHING bozo??

no thanks, i take back my ill-judged comment x

 

[zzr45]

People didn't like Corbyn it was a big problem, there has been a smear campaign against him from the Tories and supporting media since he became leader that I have not seen against any other political leader in my lifetime.

Accused for nearly 2 years of being a racist anti-semite because a couple of MP's in his party said some things that were deemed anti-semitic, the fella has been arrested for protesting against racism in the past.

2016 the first bits came out. The problem is when you’re open about meeting IRA commanders, Hezbollah, Hamas etc then people do have a jaded view. Not understanding that issuing bonds is a form of borrowing pointed at a lack of economic sense that was picked up by some. As in that independent article- not knowing when the queens speech was - all such an utter disconnect.

 

[the sniderman]

no thanks, i take back my ill-judged comment x

thanks buddy.

 

[Cardano]

2016 the first bits came out. The problem is when you’re open about meeting IRA commanders, Hezbollah, Hamas etc then people do have a jaded view. Not understanding that issuing bonds is a form of borrowing pointed at a lack of economic sense that was picked up by some. As in that independent article- not knowing when the queens speech was - all such an utter disconnect.

It has to be kept in context though doesn’t it?

Blair met McGuiness, Adams and Col. Gaddafi over the years. I never heard once anybody imply he supported terrorism because of this?

Did Corbyn meet with Hamas and IRA people and take part in planning their next atrocity? Of course not.

 

[OnlyBlueWillDo]

2016 the first bits came out. The problem is when you’re open about meeting IRA commanders, Hezbollah, Hamas etc then people do have a jaded view. Not understanding that issuing bonds is a form of borrowing pointed at a lack of economic sense that was picked up by some. As in that independent article- not knowing when the queens speech was - all such an utter disconnect.

He's met with terrorists trying to broker deals, like Blair did and Thatcher with the IRA trying to find a solution to peace.

Accused of being a racist when he's not done or said anything is farcical when he's protested against it and been arrested in the past, yet Johnson can be openly racist in books and newspaper columns he's written and that's brushed under the carpet in the main by the media who are bias towards the Tory party in most quarters.

Like I say, twisted truths spun into a smear campaign in the media that changed public opinion of him.

 

[Blues Harp]

He's met with terrorists trying to broker deals, like Blair did and Thatcher with the IRA trying to find a solution to peace.

Accused of being a racist when he's not done or said anything is farcical when he's protested against it and been arrested in the past, yet Johnson can be openly racist in books and newspaper columns he's written and that's brushed under the carpet in the main by the media who are bias towards the Tory party in most quarters.

Dont bother mate, you are banging your head against a brick wall here.....Long live the peoples republic of Merseyside !!

 

[Khalekan]

For all of @davek ‘s serfs out there in dark, Satanic mill towns in the north of England.

 

[davmaher]

Well if I was in the Labour Party power brokers, I would suggest that instead of making the assumption that "The Media" meant we didnt win, and then all violently agree that we are right and everyone else is wrong/stupid, perhaps actually ask folk in Burnley and the NE why they turned off Labour.

Johnson is already saying thanks for being loaned their votes, and quite nicely saying he will do his best to repay their gift.

It does a huge disservice to people to suggest that they only voted one way or another cos of what they read.

I was thinking exactly the same thing last night. Canvas people on why they didn't vote for you. Do it face to face rather than on line. Accept what they tell you and implement policies to reflect what people tell you. Can't see it happening, though.

 

[OnlyBlueWillDo]

Can someone check on @davek , he's not been seen since the exit poll came out last night.

Unless he's hitched a lift to Islington to go round and console Jeremy.

 

[Blue Roo]

Why is there an argument between media manufacturing consent and the disconnect by people from the Labour party?
Both happened.

For me, the point of contention is - is the reasons for the legitimate backlash by people against the LP solved by Brexit.

What I see is Johnson rubbing his hands with joy at the prospect of negotiating all the trade deals, then running over to Cameron's place in his school blazer and boasting that he is going to achieve for the elite in this country what Davey baby never could.

Do people really understand what these trades deals represent?
Do people who voted for the Tories really think the trade deals will be in their interests. Things like workers rights and conditions, privatising parts of the public service etc will all be tied up in them.
This I just didn't get.

Whether Britain is part of the EU or not doesn't matter much. Its whose got hold of the reins that does.

 

[zzr45]

It has to be kept in context though doesn’t it?

Blair met McGuiness, Adams and Col. Gaddafi over the years. I never heard once anybody imply he supported terrorism because of this?

Did Corbyn meet with Hamas and IRA people and take part in planning their next atrocity? Of course not.

But that’s the problem. You know the context, does the person who gets told it in the pub know the context? Most likely not. The whole brokering of peace is a bit suspect when he showed up at wakes etc. He did a lot to stick two fingers up at the establishment. It backfired.

He's met with terrorists trying to broker deals, like Blair did and Thatcher with the IRA trying to find a solution to peace.

Accused of being a racist when he's not done or said anything is farcical when he's protested against it and been arrested in the past, yet Johnson can be openly racist in books and newspaper columns he's written and that's brushed under the carpet in the main by the media who are bias towards the Tory party in most quarters.

Like I say, twisted truths spun into a smear campaign in the media that changed public opinion of him.

But again, the problem is that really, and it’s something that people can jump up and down and get excited about, when Johnson made those comments they were pretty much public sentiment. The amount of Islamphobia years ago was high, those comments fit right in the societal narrative. It’s been brought up more than once this campaign but it doesn’t stick, because outside of the social media bubbles this country is still highly Islamaphobic. Not saying he was right, but it’s the difference. Corbyn was consorting with the ‘enemy’. It’s completely done him.