Current Affairs The General Election

[Tubey]

There is media and there is media. Obviously, some media, (ads being the most obvious) do seek to alter behaviour. I am far from convinced that "media" influences people to the degree that some like to hide behind. I think they reflect it, politically anyrate.

Bold bit is spot on. The news media exists to sell itself. It reports on what people will read. It shapes editorially, but no matter what the editor does if there's no appetite to read it then it falls on its' backside.

Corbynism relies on being the victim. They need to have that all-encompassing evil entity to blame for their warped view of the world being the minority. The media are a convenient scapegoat - see the treatment of Kuenssberg for details.

 

[roydo]

No, I dont think the media "Hugely" influences peoples opinion. I think its inane insulting and naive to think they do. And what explains a lot?

Crikey.

When was the last time you were influenced, politically, by sommet you read in a newspaper? Honestly.

Still waiting.

 

[Blue Roo]

‘Get Brexit Done’ Boris Johnson.

Chomsky is, has and always will be about as applicable to politics as he will to the taste of candyfloss.

If Chomsky's intellect and insight into politics is the weight of the world your is the weight of a stick of candyfloss.

He is in the top 5 or 6 most quoted people of the 20th Century by people all over the world, not just on your little patch of ignorance.

Some of his quotes that might be 'applicable' to your politics:

'Get Brexit Done' - If something is repeated over and over as obvious, the chances are that it is obviously false.

Nobody is going to pour truth into your brain. It's something you have to find out for yourself.

The world is a very puzzling place. If you're not willing to be puzzled, you just become a replica of someone else's mind.

The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum - even encourage the more critical and dissident views. That gives people the sense that there's free thinking going on, while all the time the presuppositions of the system are being reinforced by the limits put on the range of the debate.

The general population doesn't know what's happening, and it doesn't even know that it doesn't know.

Changes and progress very rarely are gifts from above. They come out of struggles from below.

 

[Kenshin]

People are currently protesting in london about the election result.

Again......

Do people not understand democracy? It's bloody embarrassing now , a vote is fine only if you win it seems. No matter how much in the minority you are.

 

[Blues Harp]

Well if I was in the Labour Party power brokers, I would suggest that instead of making the assumption that "The Media" meant we didnt win, and then all violently agree that we are right and everyone else is wrong/stupid, perhaps actually ask folk in Burnley and the NE why they turned off Labour.

Johnson is already saying thanks for being loaned their votes, and quite nicely saying he will do his best to repay their gift.

It does a huge disservice to people to suggest that they only voted one way or another cos of what they read.

Obviously that is not the only reason, but if you ask a lot of folk, they may say "I don't follow politics" and are perhaps influenced by the media they either listen to, or read. I do think that, although a lot of people when presented with the Labour manifesto would agree with it until they were told that it was Labour proposals. I do not agree with the labour supporters who argue that all the people who voted for brexit,(which in my view is the main reason Labour lost) are class traitors or stupid etc. The party needs to engage with folk who usually vote for them but have turned to the Tories......and build a strong opposition to fight the divisive Tory policies which I believe are going to be visited on this country in the next 5 years, Where in the Tory manifesto does it talk about helping those who are disabled, vulnerable, on slave wages, victims of a divisive benefits sanction system, or investing properly in an infrastructure which will create proper jobs and opportunities?

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

Priti Patel as Home Secretary and Dominic Raab as Foreign Secretary say even more.

I'll raise you Diane Abbott mate!

 

[Armaghtoffee]

I would like to see Liverpool break away from England and join a united Ireland and scotland in a socialist federation

On that note, I’m hopeful that the Scottish and Irish independence campaigns work together and pool resources and ideas. It is the only positive I can take from Brexit and the UK’s coronation of a bigoted racist imbecile.

 

[zzr45]

If Chomsky's intellect and insight into politics is the weight of the world your is the weight of a stick of candyfloss.

He is in the top 5 or 6 most quoted people of the 20th Century by people all over the world, not just on your little patch of ignorance.

Some of his quotes that might be 'applicable' to your politics:

'Get Brexit Done' - If something is repeated over and over as obvious, the chances are that it is obviously false.

Nobody is going to pour truth into your brain. It's something you have to find out for yourself.

The world is a very puzzling place. If you're not willing to be puzzled, you just become a replica of someone else's mind.

The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum - even encourage the more critical and dissident views. That gives people the sense that there's free thinking going on, while all the time the presuppositions of the system are being reinforced by the limits put on the range of the debate.

The general population doesn't know what's happening, and it doesn't even know that it doesn't know.

Changes and progress very rarely are gifts from above. They come out of struggles from below.

Yeah mate you can copy and paste quotes. Nice one. Still a bore.

 

[Lanolin]

No, I dont think the media "Hugely" influences peoples opinion. I think its inane insulting and naive to think they do. And what explains a lot?

The fact you don’t think you’re susceptible to having your opinion influenced highlights how easy it is for you to have your opinion influenced.

I’m not making this some sort of conspiracy theory about the election, or saying that I’m somehow superior and it doesn’t happen to me, of course it does. I’m just flabbergasted that someone could honestly think it doesn’t happen.

Forget politics and just apply it to football. I’ve just being looking at people talking about Arteta and how he’s ‘a brilliant coach’, ‘really highly rated’, ‘city want him to take over from pep’. How do people know these things? They don’t. They believe these things because it’s what they’ve been told. If the media kept saying the city players hate him and the board blame him for their issues this season nobody would want to touch him with a barge pole.Our opinions are influenced by what we see and hear, I don’t see how it’s even up for debate.

 

[Eggs]

And then, how do you explain messrs johnson, Raab, Liz Truss, Patel, McVey.......? High intellect? Come on, mate, spot the brain cell between them.

...I genuinely think that lot are dangerous. I fear for the country, but I want Labour to be better.

 

[Blue 1]

I'll raise you Diane Abbott mate!

You lose. Abbott can appear mildly cretinous at times but Patel is vicious, corrupt, thick as a plank, and a corporate shill. Abbott has nothing on her in the "entirely unfit for high office" stakes.

 

[OnlyBlueWillDo]

Well it couldn’t possibly be because people didn’t like Corbyn or his politics could it?

People didn't like Corbyn it was a big problem, there has been a smear campaign against him from the Tories and supporting media since he became leader that I have not seen against any other political leader in my lifetime.

Accused for nearly 2 years of being a racist anti-semite because a couple of MP's in his party said some things that were deemed anti-semitic, the fella has been arrested for protesting against racism in the past.

 

[dannyboy]

The terrifying end game for me is we end up with the left vanquished from UK politics. The two main parties are David Cameron/George Osborne type ´liberal´ Conservatives and they fight it out against a Farage/Hopkins right wing coalition. Worryingly, I think there´d be a lot of appetite for that throughout the country.

 

[Minimeister]

Still waiting.

Like the couple of times I've asked you why do you spend so long crying about Brexit yet act all threatened by the party that never actually caused it?

Anyway I'm out, have a good evening sir.

 

[Blue Roo]

Yeah mate you can copy and paste quotes. Nice one. Still a bore.

And thats been pretty much the level of debate thats existed. wd