Current Affairs The General Election

[Blue 1]

i think @Blue 1 destroyed that argument.

I have a feeling she was the genius behind those "tough on immigration" mugs, as well, but I may have that wrong.

Either way, in 2015 she thought trying to outflank UKIP on immigration was the way to go.

 

[Brisan123]

Congratulations to the 30 people on here who voted Tory. You wont mind declaring yourselves now then will you?

I knew we had a few kopite scum lurkers posing as blues on here ,didn't think it was 30 though

 

[Billy Dean]

Bold bit is spot on. The news media exists to sell itself. It reports on what people will read. It shapes editorially, but no matter what the editor does if there's no appetite to read it then it falls on its' backside.

Corbynism relies on being the victim. They need to have that all-encompassing evil entity to blame for their warped view of the world being the minority. The media are a convenient scapegoat - see the treatment of Kuenssberg for details.

Still waiting.

LOL of course. Nobody’s opinion is ever influenced by the media

 

[Milkman]

I was thinking exactly the same thing last night. Canvas people on why they didn't vote for you. Do it face to face rather than on line. Accept what they tell you and implement policies to reflect what people tell you. Can't see it happening, though.

I agree, but what do you implement when somebody says they want Brexit but can't tell you what they want it for?

 

[efcste97]

Pretty obvious that a lot of people treated this election like a second EU referendum. The Tories hammered the idea of 'getting brexit done' while Labour took a neutral stance and promised a 2nd ref which wasn't popular with people in Labour leave constituencies. I really do think the Labour party took this for granted and didn't expect such a turn from the coalfield/post industrial constituencies in the North.

 

[roydo]

LOL of course. Nobody’s opinion is ever influenced by the media

What opinion of yours has been influenced by the media then?

 

[Billy Dean]

What opinion of yours has been influenced by the media then?

FFS loads probably. As has yours no doubt.

 

[summerisle]

All part of his master plan.

 

[dholliday]

thanks buddy.

in all seriousness, you're one of the best posters on the site, you provide an essential service to the good citizens of GOT.

Pretty obvious that a lot of people treated this election like a second EU referendum. The Tories hammered the idea of 'getting brexit done' while Labour took a neutral stance and promised a 2nd ref which wasn't popular with people in Labour leave constituencies. I really do think the Labour party took this for granted and didn't expect such a turn from the coalfield/post industrial constituencies in the North.

If Leavers were serious, they would've voted LibDem in their droves. In the end, the Libs disappointed, their leader resigned, and Labour, promising a 2nd ref at least, bagged almost 3 million less voters than the Tories.

Brexit was a factor, yes, but not the only one. People generally aren't stupid, they know they were also voting for domestic policies.

 

[Cardano]

What opinion of yours has been influenced by the media then?

To be fair I think a lot of those putting forward this view are possibly referring to the type of people who pay no attention whatsoever to politics. You know, the kind of people who may genuinely think Tony Blair is still in charge or couldn’t tell you what party David Cameron was head of.

I think it’s more plausible that people like that may be influenced in a way that they now think ‘anti-semitism’ whenever they hear the name Corbyn, than people such as most on this thread who pay even a small bit of attention on the news.

 

[dholliday]

FFS loads probably. As has yours no doubt.

has yours?

 

[dholliday]

To be fair I think a lot of those putting forward this view are possibly referring to the type of people who pay no attention whatsoever to politics. You know, the kind of people who may genuinely think Tony Blair is still in charge or couldn’t tell you what party David Cameron was head of.

I think it’s more plausible that people like that may be influenced in a way that they now think ‘anti-semitism’ whenever they hear the name Corbyn, than people such as most on this thread who pay even a small bit of attention on the news.

Just like when they think of Boris they think racist. It's based on about as much evidence as Corbyn's anti-semitism.

And no, there is not one person alive who still thinks Tony Blair is pm...not one without dementia, anyroad.

 

[Cardano]

Just like when they think of Boris they think racist. It's based on about as much evidence as Corbyn's anti-semitism.

And no, there is not one person alive who still thinks Tony Blair is pm...not one without dementia, anyroad.

Mate you’d be surprised.

I assure you there are a fair few. I know for a fact. There are some scarily ignorant people out there.

 

[Blue Roo]

@roydo, would be interested on your take

Why is there an argument between media manufacturing consent and the disconnect by people from the Labour party?
Both happened.

For me, the point of contention is - is the reasons for the legitimate backlash by people against the LP solved by Brexit.

What I see is Johnson rubbing his hands with joy at the prospect of negotiating all the trade deals, then running over to Cameron's place in his school blazer and boasting that he is going to achieve for the elite in this country what Davey baby never could.

Do people really understand what these trades deals represent?
Do people who voted for the Tories really think the trade deals will be in their interests. Things like workers rights and conditions, privatising parts of the public service etc will all be tied up in them.
This I just didn't get?
The directing and swaying of opinion has to have played a significant role since the referendum was announced.

Imo, whether Britain is part of the EU or not doesn't matter much. Its whose got hold of the reins that does.
What is the real link between Brexit and labour voters discontent - i've never really got it (I live in Ireland)

 

[Lanolin]

What opinion of yours has been influenced by the media then?

I mean, part of the problem is that you don’t realise it’s happening. Some people read the news and they just think it’s the news, a reporting of facts. They don’t realise it’s just the news that this particular paper has decided to report, or that it’s been written from a particular angle, they believe they’re just catching up on current affairs.

Have you never watched match of the day or read a match report of a game you watched live, and thought ‘that’s not how it went’? You must have. But you only know that’s not how it went because you saw it, anyone else who sees match of the day or reads that report will take it at face value. It’s exactly the same here.