Succession Planning - Managerial Wishlist

[willo30]

Off topic but is anyone else getting RS adverts on the page.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Because it's Bournemouth and he will get as long as he wants.
He will get 10 minutes here like all the others before he is hounded out.
Like it or not that is the fan base we have.

It’s not really true is it.

Moyes got 11 years.
Martinez three full seasons.
Ancelotti would have been given another one by the fans even after finishing 10th.
Most of the fan base seem content to give Moyes another season now as well.


We had a few years of Moshiri swinging the axe prematurely but there will still parts of the fanbase that think it was a mistake to sack Koeman and Silva when we did.

It used to be an old adage that a manager needed three seasons to fully show what they’re about. Timeframe shave probably shortened now admittedly

For me it’s about forward momentum though, fans will stick with managers if they can see progress. Wins against top opposition, style of play improving, league form improving, cup record improving etc.

The problem at Everton is all too often a decent start by a manager turns into a death spiral plume towards relegation the next season.

If Iraola or another came in and showed signs of moving forward next season, the fans would give him the season after, if he built again then he’d get the next season.

Pochettino Klopp Mancini Howe all kept the fanbases with them early on despite not delivering anything because they kept forward momentum.

The only recent manager who has kept it at Everton for longer than 18 months is Moyes mk 1. I actually think we have a very patient fanbase but we have to see some signs of progression.

 

[willo30]

Let’s give it a couple of weeks & I expect they will be ahead of us then so you won’t be able to use this bizarre measure of suitability to dismiss him.

I think we will finish above them comfortably. Lets call it stalemate.

 

[matty1878]

You do remember how many we had to replace last summer right?

mate him and others aren’t assed about the past, the present, the future

they just want moyes out the clowns

 

[matty1878]

It’s not really true is it.

Moyes got 11 years.
Martinez three full seasons.
Ancelotti would have been given another one by the fans even after finishing 10th.
Most of the fan base seem content to give Moyes another season now as well.


We had a few years of Moshiri swinging the axe prematurely but there will still parts of the fanbase that think it was a mistake to sack Koeman and Silva when we did.

It used to be an old adage that a manager needed three seasons to fully show what they’re about. Timeframe shave probably shortened now admittedly

For me it’s about forward momentum though, fans will stick with managers if they can see progress. Wins against top opposition, style of play improving, league form improving, cup record improving etc.

The problem at Everton is all too often a decent start by a manager turns into a death spiral plume towards relegation the next season.

If Iraola or another came in and showed signs of moving forward next season, the fans would give him the season after, if he built again then he’d get the next season.

Pochettino Klopp Mancini Howe all kept the fanbases with them early on despite not delivering anything because they kept forward momentum.

The only recent manager who has kept it at Everton for longer than 18 months is Moyes mk 1. I actually think we have a very patient fanbase but we have to see some signs of progression.

we do have one a loyal one

and we will let you know if aren’t cutting it

right now we need to stick IMO

also we’re the 3rd lowest GS
and a bad home record

bad Fbs and yet we’re 8th


something is working

 

[Milk]

Off topic but is anyone else getting RS adverts on the page.

I was getting them in the Bournemouth match thread , posted about it in Ale House … and was accused of being a RS fan.

WTF

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

I think you overestimate our fans ambitions in terms of getting it right in a single season. That's what Spurs fans do.

Iraola would have us no lower than mid table in any case, and we'd have a much higher ceiling with him in charge here.

We need a manager who can coach a team to play at pace and to pass the ball.

I'm for anyone who can do that consistently - and that's why Moyes is such a drag on our club, because he's incapable of achieving that.

An absurd thing to say. How do you know if Iraola would be “no lower” than midtable or not? I’m sure Spurs expected Frank would be doing significantly better than Ange, but he was rotten.

Some people act like the squad is underperforming when it is actually the opposite.

Also, the level of pressure at Everton is on a totally different level to what one experiences at a club like Bournemouth.

 

[Ruairi77]

mate him and others aren’t assed about the past, the present, the future

they just want moyes out the clowns

No one's calling for Moyes to be sacked in the morning.
A few are calling for change in the summer.
There's plenty who've seen Moyes manage Everton for 13 years now.
Given the shocking home performances and lucky away escapes, combined with poor selections/set ups/subs
It's hardly fair to call people who want a change in 5 months time 'clowns'.

 

[Efcjake]

Remember when it was Graham Potter you all wanted?

 

[preposterousvelios]

we do have one a loyal one

and we will let you know if aren’t cutting it

right now we need to stick IMO

also we’re the 3rd lowest GS
and a bad home record

bad Fbs and yet we’re 8th


something is working

I think the frustration that a lot of people have Matty is that we're 8th despite all of issues that we mostly all agree on - fullback situation, Gana/garner midfield, not using the squad, home form etc.

It begs the question, what position would we be in if we were actually playing our best side every week and making the changes/choices that seem obvious to most people. That's where the frustration with Moyes comes from despite people rightly pointing out that we're in a good position currently.

 

[davek]

An absurd thing to say. How do you know if Iraola would be “no lower” than midtable or not? I’m sure Spurs expected Frank would be doing significantly better than Ange, but he was rotten.

Some people act like the squad is underperforming when it is actually the opposite.

Also, the level of pressure at Everton is on a totally different level to what one experiences at a club like Bournemouth.

This PL is turd. Any manager with half a decent team and a clue can get top half.

Iraola has been stripped of loads of his players and was able to rebuild in months and still look odds on for a top half finish.

People need to stop talking tripe about Moyes and taking us away from our 'relegation' woes.

 

[willo30]

I think the frustration that a lot of people have Matty is that we're 8th despite all of issues that we mostly all agree on - fullback situation, Gana/garner midfield, not using the squad, home form etc.

It begs the question, what position would we be in if we were actually playing our best side every week and making the changes/choices that seem obvious to most people. That's where the frustration with Moyes comes from despite people rightly pointing out that we're in a good position currently.

How do we know we aren't playing our best team week in week out?
Moyes sees them every day in training yet we think we can pick the team better than him.

 

[davek]

But we are not the same. There is no need to blood youngsters when we can buy the finished article.
A lot of these hip managers fail when they have to coach better players. TF has proved this.
If he'd had Bournemouth in the top 5 for a few years then he would be my choice but I am sick of taking a chance on the next best thing only to be disappointed once again.

If he'd done that then he wouldn't be there for us.

I like the trajectory he's on:

1st season 12th on 48 points
2nd season 9th on 56 points
This season 37 points so far and on course to cement another top 10 finish.

That's consistency with an unfashionable club where he's had to sell quite a bit.

And the football they play is of a quality we cant match with much better resources.

 

[preposterousvelios]

How do we know we aren't playing our best team week in week out?
Moyes sees them every day in training yet we think we can pick the team better than him.

Even majority of posters who are the most Loyal to Moyes would acknowledge that his team selections this year have been consistently pretty baffling.

Stuff with young players is maybe more debatable, but O'Brien at right back, Armstrong on the wing, KDH at 10, persisting with Gana and Keane - most people agree that these things are not really working.

 

[willo30]

If he'd done that then he wouldn't be there for us.

I like the trajectory he's on:

1st season 12th on 48 points
2nd season 9th on 56 points
This season 37 points so far and on course to cement another top 10 finish.

That's consistency with an unfashionable club where he's had to sell quite a bit.

And the football they play is of a quality we cant match with much better resources.

I'm not sure. It just feels like we've learnt nothing from past appointments.

He looks good but we've been here before.