Succession Planning - Managerial Wishlist

[Toffeelover]

If Moyes left tomorrow he'd probably have bottom half of the table suitors for his skillset.

No elite club or club with ambitions to become one would hire him.

Not even Spurs ?????

 

[willo30]

Upgrade is the word I'd use. Iraola had to make do and mend.

Moyes spent £110M; Iraola had £120M flogged on him.

You do realize that is their business model.

Listen I'm not saying he's a bad manager I'm saying the 2 clubs are miles apart in terms of expectation. He is not going to get half a season to blood in some youngsters here. That's not our model.

 

[davek]

Not even Spurs ?????

Spurs would see Moyes as a dumbed-down version of Frank.

 

[DualityNSNO]

You do realize that is their business model.

Listen I'm not saying he's a bad manager I'm saying the 2 clubs are miles apart in terms of expectation. He is not going to get half a season to blood in some youngsters here. That's not our model.

What's our model then? Ignore the problems and hope for the best?

 

[davek]

You do realize that is their business model.

Listen I'm not saying he's a bad manager I'm saying the 2 clubs are miles apart in terms of expectation. He is not going to get half a season to blood in some youngsters here. That's not our model.

I think you overestimate our fans ambitions in terms of getting it right in a single season. That's what Spurs fans do.

Iraola would have us no lower than mid table in any case, and we'd have a much higher ceiling with him in charge here.

We need a manager who can coach a team to play at pace and to pass the ball.

I'm for anyone who can do that consistently - and that's why Moyes is such a drag on our club, because he's incapable of achieving that.

 

[willo30]

What's our model then? Ignore the problems and hope for the best?

What problems have we ignored? We tried for more players in the summer but they turned us down according to Moyes. Tete was a full back that was needed I can only presume we were turned down by more full backs and strikers as well.

The way we change these players minds is to improve our position which we are doing.

 

[Lanolin]

Keith Andrews is exactly my point. He is this seasons hip manager. I am saying give these flavour of the month managers more than a season or 2 to prove themselves. They are not doing too well this season yet according to some we are doing bad enough to replace our manager and want to take someone that is currently not doing as well as us. It's baffling to say the least.

You obviously never know how any manager will do at any given club. There are no guarantees and recruitment, stylistic preference, 'fit' and frankly just luck will all play a part in how things pan out. Someone like Iraola isn't just someone who had one good season though, he improved Rayo Vallecano's finishing position in each of his 3 seasons there, and has done the same in 2 seasons at Bournemouth and may well do it again for a third time (they're in the same position as last year at the moment) so he's clearly shown himself to be someone who can improve teams and get results. It's possible that he's hit his ceiling and will turn out to be a manager like Moyes who excels at getting the most out of midtable sides but falters when he needs to do more than that, but there's certainly enough in his record to show that he's a capable manager and not just someone who's had a fluke season.

 

[willo30]

I think you overestimate our fans ambitions in terms of getting it right in a single season. That's what Spurs fans do.

Iraola would have us no lower than mid table in any case, and we'd have a much higher ceiling with him in charge here.

We need a manager who can coach a team to play at pace and to pass the ball.

I'm for anyone who can do that consistently - and that's why Moyes is such a drag on our club, because he's incapable of achieving that.

But we are not the same. There is no need to blood youngsters when we can buy the finished article.
A lot of these hip managers fail when they have to coach better players. TF has proved this.
If he'd had Bournemouth in the top 5 for a few years then he would be my choice but I am sick of taking a chance on the next best thing only to be disappointed once again.

 

[preposterousvelios]

People do have valid points about Iraola having freedom at a club like Bournemouth to play attacking football without the same pressure he would be under here to get results.

For me personally though out of all the flavour of the month managers that have emerged from the mid table PL clubs in the last decade, Iraola is the one that has more about him and will go on to win things at a big club.

I didn't want Potter, Frank, De Zerbi and I wouldn't want Hurzeler or Keith Andrews. Would struggle to articulate why that even is beyond vibes tbh but I'm just buying into the hype with Iraola. Can see him getting spurs job and being like another Pochetinno for them.

 

[willo30]

You obviously never know how any manager will do at any given club. There are no guarantees and recruitment, stylistic preference, 'fit' and frankly just luck will all play a part in how things pan out. Someone like Iraola isn't just someone who had one good season though, he improved Rayo Vallecano's finishing position in each of his 3 seasons there, and has done the same in 2 seasons at Bournemouth and may well do it again for a third time (they're in the same position as last year at the moment) so he's clearly shown himself to be someone who can improve teams and get results. It's possible that he's hit his ceiling and will turn out to be a manager like Moyes who excels at getting the most out of midtable sides but falters when he needs to do more than that, but there's certainly enough in his record to show that he's a capable manager and not just someone who's had a fluke season.

I'd like someone with experience of coaching top players as that is where I expect us to be when Moyes leaves next season.

 

[hetion]

All I'm gonna say is: Moyes blocking us getting Truffert for 13m last January is all the evidence anyone should need that he needs to stay well away from how we spend upwards of £100m this summer.

 

[preposterousvelios]

But we are not the same. There is no need to blood youngsters when we can buy the finished article.
A lot of these hip managers fail when they have to coach better players. TF has proved this.
If he'd had Bournemouth in the top 5 for a few years then he would be my choice but I am sick of taking a chance on the next best thing only to be disappointed once again.

Unless you're Real Madrid, you should always have a focus on blooding young players. That is just the way of the modern game and football economics.

Also while I agree that Frank has done a terrible job at spurs, dont think it has anything to do with managing senior players tbh. Their squad is not very good and is mostly made up of promising young players who are learning the league. He had issues with Romero but he's an absolute nutter who has had problems with every authority figure at spurs.

 

[preposterousvelios]

All I'm gonna say is: Moyes blocking us getting Truffert for 13m last January is all the evidence anyone should need that he needs to stay well away from how we spend upwards of £100m this summer.

^

 

[Lanolin]

I'd like someone with experience of coaching top players as that is where I expect us to be when Moyes leaves next season.

What do we mean by top players though? Like global megastars with massive egos? I'm really not sure that's a realistic prospect to be honest. The likes of Semenyo, Huijsen, Zabarnyi, Kerkez etc are top players in the context of what he'd be dealing with here I think.

 

[Bluepablo]

Yet still beneath us in the table with us having one of the worst home records in living memory.
The guy would be hounded out at his first bad spell which will come.
All these so called hip managers from last season all beneath us. Wonder why that is.

Let’s give it a couple of weeks & I expect they will be ahead of us then so you won’t be able to use this bizarre measure of suitability to dismiss him.