Moyes and strikers

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Debate in the Barry thread, lead by @Joey66 and his advanced Dean Ashton scouting skills, made me wonder about Moyes record with strikers. I distinctly recall the debates about Moyes ruining strikers after form dropped off during his first spell (Yak, Jelavic, Johnson).

I decided to see how many players that Moyes has coached across his career who hit 15+ goals in a season. Full disclosure, I used Gemini AI for this, so hopefully this is fairly accurate:


Across his 26-year managerial career spanning Preston North End, Everton, Manchester United, Real Sociedad, Sunderland, and West Ham, David Moyes has coached 8 strikers/forwards who scored 15 or more goals in all competitions during a single season.




Player

Club

Season

Total Goals

Jon Macken

Preston North End

1999–00 / 2000–01

25 / 19

Richard Cresswell

Preston North End

2001–02

15

Yakubu

Everton

2007–08

21

Louis Saha

Everton

2009–10

15

Wayne Rooney

Manchester United

2013–14

19

Robin van Persie

Manchester United

2013–14

18

Jermain Defoe

Sunderland

2016–17

15

Jarrod Bowen

West Ham United

2021–22 / 2023–24

18 / 20


Who just missed out?

Several players came agonizingly close but failed to hit the 15-goal mark:


* Michail Antonio (West Ham): His best under Moyes was 14 goals in 2022–23.

* Tim Cahill (Everton): Though he felt like a 20-goal striker, his highest total in a single season for Moyes was actually 12.

* Mohammed Kudus (West Ham): Scored 14 goals in Moyes' final season (2023–24).

A couple of interesting points. It is not a huge list. Roughly half were Moyes signings, with the others already being in situ at their clubs. This does lead some credence to the argument scouting and signing goalscoring strikers is not his strength (consider the number signed in his career).

However, if Moyes has quality players he does look to be able to get them scoring. For a season or so.

Thoughts good folk of GOT?
 
Debate in the Barry thread, lead by @Joey66 and his advanced Dean Ashton scouting skills, made me wonder about Moyes record with strikers. I distinctly recall the debates about Moyes ruining strikers after form dropped off during his first spell (Yak, Jelavic, Johnson).

I decided to see how many players that Moyes has coached across his career who hit 15+ goals in a season. Full disclosure, I used Gemini AI for this, so hopefully this is fairly accurate:


Across his 26-year managerial career spanning Preston North End, Everton, Manchester United, Real Sociedad, Sunderland, and West Ham, David Moyes has coached 8 strikers/forwards who scored 15 or more goals in all competitions during a single season.




Player

Club

Season

Total Goals

Jon Macken

Preston North End

1999–00 / 2000–01

25 / 19

Richard Cresswell

Preston North End

2001–02

15

Yakubu

Everton

2007–08

21

Louis Saha

Everton

2009–10

15

Wayne Rooney

Manchester United

2013–14

19

Robin van Persie

Manchester United

2013–14

18

Jermain Defoe

Sunderland

2016–17

15

Jarrod Bowen

West Ham United

2021–22 / 2023–24

18 / 20


Who just missed out?

Several players came agonizingly close but failed to hit the 15-goal mark:


* Michail Antonio (West Ham): His best under Moyes was 14 goals in 2022–23.

* Tim Cahill (Everton): Though he felt like a 20-goal striker, his highest total in a single season for Moyes was actually 12.

* Mohammed Kudus (West Ham): Scored 14 goals in Moyes' final season (2023–24).

A couple of interesting points. It is not a huge list. Roughly half were Moyes signings, with the others already being in situ at their clubs. This does lead some credence to the argument scouting and signing goalscoring strikers is not his strength (consider the number signed in his career).

However, if Moyes has quality players he does look to be able to get them scoring. For a season or so.

Thoughts good folk of GOT?

Wasn't he sacked at Utd after about 4 months? If so, id take off Rooney and RVP.

I posted a reply to a post @GrandOldTeam done a few days ago and I mentioned i reckon striker is the one position he's least signed during his managerial career. Lots of centre halves, lots of midfielders, not many strikers.
 
Debate in the Barry thread, lead by @Joey66 and his advanced Dean Ashton scouting skills, made me wonder about Moyes record with strikers. I distinctly recall the debates about Moyes ruining strikers after form dropped off during his first spell (Yak, Jelavic, Johnson).

I decided to see how many players that Moyes has coached across his career who hit 15+ goals in a season. Full disclosure, I used Gemini AI for this, so hopefully this is fairly accurate:


Across his 26-year managerial career spanning Preston North End, Everton, Manchester United, Real Sociedad, Sunderland, and West Ham, David Moyes has coached 8 strikers/forwards who scored 15 or more goals in all competitions during a single season.




Player

Club

Season

Total Goals

Jon Macken

Preston North End

1999–00 / 2000–01

25 / 19

Richard Cresswell

Preston North End

2001–02

15

Yakubu

Everton

2007–08

21

Louis Saha

Everton

2009–10

15

Wayne Rooney

Manchester United

2013–14

19

Robin van Persie

Manchester United

2013–14

18

Jermain Defoe

Sunderland

2016–17

15

Jarrod Bowen

West Ham United

2021–22 / 2023–24

18 / 20


Who just missed out?

Several players came agonizingly close but failed to hit the 15-goal mark:


* Michail Antonio (West Ham): His best under Moyes was 14 goals in 2022–23.

* Tim Cahill (Everton): Though he felt like a 20-goal striker, his highest total in a single season for Moyes was actually 12.

* Mohammed Kudus (West Ham): Scored 14 goals in Moyes' final season (2023–24).

A couple of interesting points. It is not a huge list. Roughly half were Moyes signings, with the others already being in situ at their clubs. This does lead some credence to the argument scouting and signing goalscoring strikers is not his strength (consider the number signed in his career).

However, if Moyes has quality players he does look to be able to get them scoring. For a season or so.

Thoughts good folk of GOT?
With the exception of Macken and Cress well you wouldn't be able to buy any of those strikers for less than £60-70m nowadays and therein lies the problem for Everton.

If you want to be a top side you have to have a top striker and paying £20m or £30m for a Beto or Barry is never going to cut it.
 
We got our best striker since the PL began - Lukaku - 3 months after Moyes left the club for United.

He has zero understanding of any striker's movement s and it's a pig in a poke whenever we buy one under Moyes.
Think its more to do with the fact that in his system the striker is more of a team player who brings others in and holds the ball up too make play rather than an out and out goal scorer. Playing a lone front man as we do we don't create anywhere near enough for a lone front man to be a goal scorer regardless of how bad Beto and Barry are, Haaland wouldn't score in our setup imo.
 

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