Roberto Vs Ronald

[Saint Domingo]

He came in and and fixed the problem we'd had for 15 years: what do everton do against teams who park the bus?
Sure, the wheels came off but, with hindsight, we should have given him the 200m and not rocket ronnie.

Did he? Even in his first season his plan A more often than not failed. Really think back, how many games were we behind or level at 60 mins? How many points did we earn by Osman Pienaar Naismith coming off the bench for Barkley and Lukaku. How many points did we win from direct free kicks? His philosophy fundamentally did not work. What msdevthe first season a success was a defensive approach of two holding kids in front of a solid back 5, staying in games until 60 mins then winning it with clever subs usually Moyes’ inventive playmakers. I actually thought it was clever management not burning out the likes of Pienaar, tactically assessingvyhe game and then winning it. What followed stresses proved it wasn’t.

 

[Cork Evertonian]

If we apologised, if we offered a big enough financial package...
I reckon Bobby could return.
Believe.

No thanks mate!

 

[ianefc]

I said he has made our Academy into what it is, for all his flaws he wanted youth to start progressing through the ranks.

Is that like that absolute nothing Bournemouth game when he played this team.

When all the talk was he should've showed us some of the youth players, he gave them a token 5 minutes at the end.

A few weeks later, Unsworth did this.



So why, if Martinez had so much faith in youth, did he never use them? Other than bringing through Barkley.

 

[degsy]

Martinez
72 reasons
Christmas video
Bought Lukaku

Koeman
red Christmas tree decos
Sold Lukaku - without getting a replacement...If it was his fault at all, he's getting the blame.

 

[mkrudden]

Did he? Even in his first season his plan A more often than not failed. Really think back, how many games were we behind or level at 60 mins? How many points did we earn by Osman Pienaar Naismith coming off the bench for Barkley and Lukaku. How many points did we win from direct free kicks? His philosophy fundamentally did not work. What msdevthe first season a success was a defensive approach of two holding kids in front of a solid back 5, staying in games until 60 mins then winning it with clever subs usually Moyes’ inventive playmakers. I actually thought it was clever management not burning out the likes of Pienaar, tactically assessingvyhe game and then winning it. What followed stresses proved it wasn’t.

SD how can you say it didn't work when we got 72 points?
And you can't dampen a person's achievements because they used all tools at their disposal like set pieces and substitutes.
How many times did he bring on Deulofeu against fading sides who had been moved around by our passing for 70 mins?
How many times did our play win free kicks on the edge of the area?
We went to old trafford and played rondos in their centre circle. Moyes or no Moyes, it's Old Trafford for crying out loud.

 

[ianefc]

Did he? Even in his first season his plan A more often than not failed. Really think back, how many games were we behind or level at 60 mins? How many points did we earn by Osman Pienaar Naismith coming off the bench for Barkley and Lukaku. How many points did we win from direct free kicks? His philosophy fundamentally did not work. What msdevthe first season a success was a defensive approach of two holding kids in front of a solid back 5, staying in games until 60 mins then winning it with clever subs usually Moyes’ inventive playmakers. I actually thought it was clever management not burning out the likes of Pienaar, tactically assessingvyhe game and then winning it. What followed stresses proved it wasn’t.

Straight away Osman rescued him home and away Vs Villa that season, we got spanked in the 1st half on both occasions.

 

[hktoffee]

@hktoffee

Taking Moyes’s 6th place squad to 5th and then followed by 2 dreadful seasons when he put his ideology into the team. Hardly an inspiration is it?

Daily Moomin’s wind up. Good work lad.

 

[ianefc]

You have completely avoided answering my questions Ian.
To answer yours, would Liverpool want to bring back a manager that has never won anything outside of Scotland, to replace their proven winner manager? I can't imagine so.

To say that the footy they produced was far superior to Martinez's first season is absolute fabrication too. They had a top 3 of Sterling, Suarez and Sturridge finishing their chances. We had a raw Lukaku, Steven Naismith and Ross Barkley.

You hate Martinez so much that you're blinded.

Hahaha. I said no about Moyes about 5 posts ago, how many ways can I say it?

Rodgers had also never relegated a team that Bruce and Jewell didn't. Martinez on the other hand....

 

[bicycleheader]

Even now the cultists seek to defend their beloved, they're both crap lads! Nobody other turn a few deluded fools will ever look back fondly on either of them.

another thing to love about Bobby is you still get silly stuff like this posted seriously. Koeman is leaving nothing behind.

cult versus plotters was good fun

plotters won in fairness, but im enjoying winning this skirmish

 

[Saint Domingo]

SD how can you say it didn't work when we got 72 points?
And you can't dampen a person's achievements because they used all tools at their disposal like set pieces and substitutes.
How many times did he bring on Deulofeu against fading sides who had been moved around by our passing for 70 mins?
How many times did our play win free kicks on the edge of the area?
We went to old trafford and played rondos in their centre circle. Moyes or no Moyes, it's Old Trafford for crying out loud.

Yes but his refusal to do so the next two seasons negates a lot of this. What looked like clever use of a squad was actually just scrambling for options when the game wasn’t going well. He should have replaced Osman and Pienaar but instead implemented three number 10s (sound familiar) in 14/15 until we were so close to the bottom three that he went back to Osman. He didn’t learn his lesson though and was so stubborn that once again didn’t address the creativity gap for 15/16. He’d actually stumbled across the right answer and ignored it, in some ways worse than Koeman who got nowhere near the right answer.

 

[ToffeeDan]

You do wonder whether things would have ended differently for Roberto if he’d had the balls to say the right things to the press (not chat s...) and keep the key players onside (Romelu, Barkley, Mirallas, Jags, Baines, Barry, Howard) - many of them seemed to lose heart - perhaps dealing with Distin was a turning point. Something happened that perhaps should have been resolved better.

 

[bicycleheader]

If we apologised, if we offered a big enough financial package...
I reckon Bobby could return.
Believe.

we will get on in this thread MK, but just you wait for the Rooney vs Kone thread when we boot the boozing happy meal guzzler out in the summer

 

[Moomin]

Taking Moyes’s 6th place squad to 5th and then followed by 2 dreadful seasons when he put his ideology into the team. Hardly an inspiration is it?

Daily Moomin’s wind up. Good work lad.

The good people of GOT have spoken. Roberto was better than Koeman.

 

[mkrudden]

Hahaha. I said no about Moyes about 5 posts ago, how many ways can I say it?

Rodgers had also never relegated a team that Bruce and Jewell didn't. Martinez on the other hand....

No Ian, you haven't answered my questions:

What did he have?
How is it proven that he's lost whatever that is?
We aren't Utd. End of story. LvG has won everything at club level and couldn't crack it there, having spent 100s of millions.
Sociedad (spl?). Language barrier.
Sunderland? A poisoned chalice. No money to spend.

You make plenty of excuses for Moyes as to why he hasn't been able to replicate what he did with us.
He knows us though. Will get time. Will sort that defence out. Could get us back to 6th?

Isn't he the perfect choice for you Ian?

And no, Rodgers didn't get relegated, he was sacked by Reading - in the Championship - before he was given chance to, sacked just 4 months into his tenure.

He was at Swansea for 2 years and, using your own views against you, should be grateful to what he inherited from Roberto Martinez shouldn't he?

In any event, he spent only 1 year as manager in the PL before Liverpool. He did well, they finished 11th.
Martinez kept Wigan in the PL for 3 years. And won an FA Cup.

Martinez absolutely served up better than Koeman. On a fraction of the budget.

 

[mkrudden]

Yes but his refusal to do so the next two seasons negates a lot of this. What looked like clever use of a squad was actually just scrambling for options when the game wasn’t going well. He should have replaced Osman and Pienaar but instead implemented three number 10s (sound familiar) in 14/15 until we were so close to the bottom three that he went back to Osman. He didn’t learn his lesson though and was so stubborn that once again didn’t address the creativity gap for 15/16. He’d actually stumbled across the right answer and ignored it, in some ways worse than Koeman who got nowhere near the right answer.

72 points worth of luck and scrambling.

So as a game in isolation: Newcastle at home, 3-0 up at half time playing some of the best togger i've seen at GP.

Luck and scrambling?

Another one:

Playing Lukaku RW against Arsenal at home. Won 3-0. Unreal footy.

Luck and scrambling?