Reality Check - what is successful for Allardyce?

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toffeejack said:
i thought we should be finishing 5th or 6th ... when i thought we were buying giroud. Then we decided to not bother with buying a striker and i didn't know what to expect. I expected problems, but not for them to be as bad as they turned out to be. Nobody could have foreseen that, but that's behind us and we're looking up. We're 9 points behind a burnley team we finished 21 points ahead of last season, so we can definitely aim to finish above them and all those below them imo (with the exception of arsenal who have had too big of a head start over us for a team of their calibre).
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We’ve had a run of games which pre season I would expect us to win but after the start against both the big boys and Burnley’s Southampton’s Leicester’s and Palaces of this world I feared the worst. Sam has brought us through that but the team needs far more to get wins in the more difficult games coming up. I want us to finish as high up that table as we can, but the first 13 games will be a big handicap
 
The Blue Cat said:
Don't think our rotten start can be underestimated in looking at what it'll take to move up the table significantly, so my thinking is:

Below Expectations/Minimum Acceptable - 12th - I'd not be happy if we slipped places from where we are now; if that happens we've had a mare of a January transfer window and performances have not improved.
Just Good Enough - 10th - After the rotten start we've had, we're now at 10th; we *should* improve on this, but if we don't, I don't think I could fairly lay the blame at Allardyce's feet - but I'd expect 7th (at least) in 18/19 if this is what we end up settling for.
Realistic; what should be our aim - 8th - With improved performances all round and a couple of key positions shored up in January, we should press on. We can overhaul Watford; Leicester are our real target for the season - We need to beat them (doable if we improve) and win a game or two more than them. Doable with the right buys.
Surpassing Expectations - 7th - This is targetting overhauling one of Burnley, Arsenal or Liverpool. Could be a bit optimistic looking at the points on the board, but we should be aiming to do it. Burnley could well go off the boil and be ours for the taking. Could beat Arsenal - again, with the right buys.

For 18/19 that becomes:
Minimum: 8th
Just Good Enough: 7th
Realistic: 6th - we must have a better summer of buys. Splash the cash, but where it counts this time. Looking at you, Steve Walsh.
Surpassing: 5th

We're having our "Spurs immediately post-Bale" season, 18/19 needs to be our "Spurs becoming Champions League regulars" season.
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Pretty spot on the tbf

6th or 5th won't happen because I don't think the squad are capable of scoring enough or actually playing football to compete up there.

Top 10 will be fine considering.

Problem is it won't be pretty and we spent £200mill just to rebuild.
 
Let me give you a good way to think about it:

Koeman got sacked after taking 8 of 27 points. Unsworth then took 7 of 15, leaving the club on 15 points through 14 fixtures.

So figure up your desired point total that normally achieves whatever place in the table you would ordinarily consider a "success" for the club at the end of the season, multiply by 24 and divide by 38. Then add a few points because the last five clubs that hadn't been played yet in the first half of the season were Liverpool and relegation candidates (thus weaker than average overall). That's the number of points you believe Allardyce should return.

Then add fifteen to the points target for Allardyce, and wherever that usually comes out in the table is where you believe the club should finish to be a "success".
 
Martin Alvito said:
Let me give you a good way to think about it:

Koeman got sacked after taking 8 of 27 points. Unsworth then took 7 of 15, leaving the club on 15 points through 14 fixtures.

So figure up your desired point total that normally achieves whatever place in the table you would ordinarily consider a "success" for the club at the end of the season, multiply by 24 and divide by 38. Then add a few points because the last five clubs that hadn't been played yet in the first half of the season were Liverpool and relegation candidates (thus weaker than average overall). That's the number of points you believe Allardyce should return.

Then add fifteen to the points target for Allardyce, and wherever that usually comes out in the table is where you believe the club should finish to be a "success".
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Wot
 
Martin Alvito said:
Let me give you a good way to think about it:

Koeman got sacked after taking 8 of 27 points. Unsworth then took 7 of 15, leaving the club on 15 points through 14 fixtures.

So figure up your desired point total that normally achieves whatever place in the table you would ordinarily consider a "success" for the club at the end of the season, multiply by 24 and divide by 38. Then add a few points because the last five clubs that hadn't been played yet in the first half of the season were Liverpool and relegation candidates (thus weaker than average overall). That's the number of points you believe Allardyce should return.

Then add fifteen to the points target for Allardyce, and wherever that usually comes out in the table is where you believe the club should finish to be a "success".
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mate, why don’t you just say 7th place
 
Koeman, in fairness, faced the most difficult opening matches I can ever remember, he had a new squad of players that hadn't molded, and within a two weeks of the season his talisman is all over the papers for drink driving and tapping some lady he shouldn't.
It would be interesting to see how Alardyce would have faired with that.

It might be that our form has improved, because Rooneys form has improved, and Rooneys forms improved because Coleens allowed him back in the big bed.
 
Martin Alvito said:
Let me give you a good way to think about it:

Koeman got sacked after taking 8 of 27 points. Unsworth then took 7 of 15, leaving the club on 15 points through 14 fixtures.

So figure up your desired point total that normally achieves whatever place in the table you would ordinarily consider a "success" for the club at the end of the season, multiply by 24 and divide by 38. Then add a few points because the last five clubs that hadn't been played yet in the first half of the season were Liverpool and relegation candidates (thus weaker than average overall). That's the number of points you believe Allardyce should return.

Then add fifteen to the points target for Allardyce, and wherever that usually comes out in the table is where you believe the club should finish to be a "success".
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this is like RAWK standard of explanations.
 
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