Moshiri On Lukaku Contract Refusal

[ALANSTUBBS]

This is the feller who said that McCarthy was retained because he was family, Sissoko was done and dusted (denied by everyone else in on that deal), and the Koulibaly deal was agreed.

I'd say his record on players and contracts has been a lot less than "straightforward".


That statement he makes is anodyne. There's nothing other than a restatement of the current situation:

Lukaku is our player - patently that remains the case until and such a time as he's sold
We want to offer him an improved offer - same situation they've been in for 12 months

The only thing that has changed - and it is ENORMOUS - is that the player is now in a very awkward (probably irretrievable) situation with fans having made it plain that the club cant provide him with the platform he requires for his ambitions and the implications are that any agreement will be short term and result in him leaving after 12 months to pursue that ambition.

In short: bridges have been burned.

Signing a new contract and banging a couple in at the Gwladys would fix any burn damage.

 

[D410]

Yea and they are really struggling now eh?

Not all the same players now.

 

[davek]

Of all the clubs you have listed in Italy, Spain and Germany - only Juventus have in the past dozen years came close to paying the type of fee we'd let Lukaku leave for, none of the others have come within half of that type of price (assuming 60-65m)

Indeed during that time period we probably have 3 or 4 of the highest fees paid for players out of all those clubs

and the one who has paid that fee - Juventus - have only did so last season and did so for a striker in Higuain - don't see them buying a second one - especially to sit on the bench

Out the other clubs you briefly mentioned.

Bayerns record fee paid is about 32m, Barca don't need him and he is entirely unsuited to their style of play, Real Madrid - Is he a big enough name for them to bring in? PSG - jarg club, jarg league - but who knows - the players ambition may be to play in a joke league but will get to play CL.

In England - Chelsea - record fee is still 50m they've paid - so will have to smash that record (the money they've got from sales to the Chinese league makes it possible ofc) but does he suit their managers system either? United - who knows really they seem to be trying to recreate the Madrid Galactico policy without wondering about the fact it failed badly for Madrid.

As I've said before, Bayern have a deal in place with Benfica for Renato Sanches which rises to €80M.

So add them to the list.

 

[wilfjacko]

£70m or £90m, whats the difference, he will be off as soon as soon as one of the big boys need a striker...theres not many available of his level and £90m these days isn't that much especially for a 23 year old top EPL scorer.
I think we have done well to hang on to him for this long, maybe one more season after this if we're lucky, maybe we'll qualify for the CL that season and he will decide to stay. Maybe Ill also meet Jennifer Aniston and she'll fall in love with me

She might...if you're mega rich.
Wouldn't bother tho... she is a wuff wuff

 

[toffeeblue9]

Inter and Milan are in a mess as clubs mate, no better off in their respective leagues than us and both with bells as owners frankly, both have fallen a long way from where they where 5-10 years ago, he'd be exchanging one situation for a identical one (ponly with less prospects going forward)

Barca - not a chance in earth, all the strikers for god knows how long share one trait - being exceptional on the ball and with superb technical ability - Rom doesn't have that by a long shot - hes all about power and his pace mate
Madrid - possible - because they don't exactly follow common sense when buying players, then again is Lukaku as good as players theyve bought even recently who can barely get a start for them - Rodriguez for example, when you can buy any player in the world youi truly want - which Madrid can, then why would they actually go for Lukaku when he is not in the category of say a Lewandowski and not even as proven as say a Aubameyang?

Chelsea - weird one as it's the medias favourite love-child to link him too, but Conte has never in his management career favoured a player like Lukaku, he goes for the Costa type (hell he went with Pelle over 'better' strikers for Italy as he could do that hold up role he wants), IF they signed him - it'd be entirely the owners doing, a vanity signing much like Torres was for them or Shevchenko

United - Has Mourinho changed his opinion on the player - he's busted him out of one club before, whilst improved, Lukaku's game is essentially the same as it ever was as a player, yet again like with Conte, he isn't the style of striker that Mourinho has ever really favoured, both prefer the technical and back to goal players, IF they bought him its again a vanity signing for them rather than one that makes any sense for the manager, team and systems they play.

City - Guardiola - again another who favours a style of striker that Rom isn't and never looks like he will become

Arsenal - Unless they change owners they are never ever gonna spend 60m+ on a player, there summer is gonna be which sees there best players leaving rather than the other way around mate

In short - yeah their are some clubs that may come for him, but with every single one there is a huge question mark as to why they'd want him given the systems they play and managers prior choice of players in that role.

Only one i'd see as nailed on to want him would be PSG

I think you're more or less right here.

You can list the clubs who could afford Rom fairly easily: Barcelona, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, PSG, Chelsea, Man Utd, Man City, Arsenal and that's about it (unless you include any Chinese teams)

Barca - Never going to happen. He isn't a technical player in the Barca mould

Real Madrid - Perhaps. The smart money says they are going to sign a striker this summer, but Aubameyang is the hot favourite

Bayern Munich - Maybe, but they already have Lewandowski, which means one of them would have to play 2nd fiddle

PSG - Ditto, but with Cavani. I see this as more likely than Bayern though as they have made Cavani play 2nd fiddle before.

Chelsea - Given they wanted him last summer, I see no reason they wouldn't try again. Diego Costa has gone off the boil as the season has progressed and Conte fell out with him. Been rumours of him wanting out ever since he got there

Man Utd - Raiola managed to get three of his top players to United last summer, if Ibrahimovic moves on you could easily see Lukaku heading there, even if he has a slightly chequered history with Rom

Man City - See the Barcelona point. No way Pep fancies him. He doesn't even really like Aguero. Rom would never suit the way he wants to play

Arsenal - I have my doubts that they would be prepared to spend as much as it would require to get him. It doesn't really fit with their model. It's not totally out of the question, especially since the managerial situation is an unknown here

 

[Bungle]

What was that film called about him being on a plane?

Passenger 57

 

[Lanolin]

Am I alone in thinking he isnt quite ready for one of the top clubs yet. Yes he is a world class finisher and unplayable when given space to run in behind. However his hold up play and all round game, whilst improving, is still a work in progress. That will be important at the elite clubs where more teams will park the bus. He will also have more competition and I dont think that he actually get the amount of game time that he's after.

Rom comes across as a bright lad, moreso than your average footballer, and I always thought he understood this, which is why I believed we'd get another season or 2 out of him.

Ability wise I'd compare him to the Suarez who joined the RS rather than the one who left to join Barca.

I think he'd get a lot more space at the top clubs actually, that's one of the reasons why it's easier to score for the top teams.

You might come up against more sides parking the bus (although we have to deal with our fair share of that anyway) but because you're surrounded by other top attacking players buzzing around and dragging defenders out of position, you often only have to worry about your own marker. Playing for us, teams often crowd him out because they're not overly concerned that our other players will take advantage and hurt them.

I think he's more than good enough to play for a top team, and find some of our fans determination to highlight the weak points of our players rather than revel in the positives a bit odd. He's the current leading scorer in the premier league, has previously been top scorer in the Europa League, and leads the line for a national team that was recently number 1 in the world.

 

[davek]

Signing a new contract and banging a couple in at the Gwladys would fix any burn damage.

Short term it would...then he has a poor run of form and things spiral out of control.

The die is cast. It wish it weren't so, but it is.

 

[Billy Dean]

Doubt he'll go to Bayern. He doesn't seem to be very highly rated in Germany.

 

[Neiler]

He will sign the deal without question.

Stll doesnt mean he will spend the next four years here, if we get over the summer and dont secure CL football the following year he will go.

 

[kithnou]

I think you're more or less right here.

You can list the clubs who could afford Rom fairly easily: Barcelona, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, PSG, Chelsea, Man Utd, Man City, Arsenal and that's about it (unless you include any Chinese teams)

Barca - Never going to happen. He isn't a technical player in the Barca mould

Real Madrid - Perhaps. The smart money says they are going to sign a striker this summer, but Aubameyang is the hot favourite

Bayern Munich - Maybe, but they already have Lewandowski, which means one of them would have to play 2nd fiddle

PSG - Ditto, but with Cavani. I see this as more likely than Bayern though as they have made Cavani play 2nd fiddle before.

Chelsea - Given they wanted him last summer, I see no reason they wouldn't try again. Diego Costa has gone off the boil as the season has progressed and Conte fell out with him. Been rumours of him wanting out ever since he got there

Man Utd - Raiola managed to get three of his top players to United last summer, if Ibrahimovic moves on you could easily see Lukaku heading there, even if he has a slightly chequered history with Rom

Man City - See the Barcelona point. No way Pep fancies him. He doesn't even really like Aguero. Rom would never suit the way he wants to play

Arsenal - I have my doubts that they would be prepared to spend as much as it would require to get him. It doesn't really fit with their model. It's not totally out of the question, especially since the managerial situation is an unknown here

Disgusts me to think he gets his desired "dream move back to his beloved Chelski" mate. Or we continue to Manure's feeder club and get their throwaways. Am so over those days.

I'm happy to sell for less internationally really. I have seen no evidence the powers that be at Everton feel the same...

Send him overseas. If this happens then we really don't have any of these as a football club i am afraid.

 

[davek]

He will sign the deal without question.

Stll doesnt mena he will spen the nextfour years here, if we get over the summer and dont secure CL football the following year he will go.

It's as simple as that. In fact, I'd say the safer bet is that he signs with us in the next few weeks and then it resurfaces in the summer and he leaves.

I think all parties will want to get this dampened down now and over the line until May when things will change rapidly.

 

[bluestevon]

I hate myself for saying this but you missed the RS off this list and I think they could very much do with him. He'd fit into their counter attacking style. Hopefully they can't afford him.

I didn't miss them off the list mate, he's so far out of their price range it's not even worth bothering laughing at any suggestion they could afford, the player would want to go or that he would actually suit them anyway.

he'd fit their counter attacking style, not to sure how he'd suit the pressing game though lol

 

[Neiler]

It's as simple as that. In fact, I'd say the safer bet is that he signs with us in the next few weeks and then it resurfaces in the summer and he leaves.

I think all parties will want to get this dampened down now and over the line until May when things will change rapidly.

His agent is dong a brilliant job and i think this is all his agent. Leak to the media the contract is 99.9% done, then a week later leak a hitch in the deal one which happens to publise a buy out clause for a buying club, then sign the new deal secure a better weekly wage for your client, safe in the knowledge that you know every club in European football know what it takes to trigger a buy out clause just before the summer window.

Seems very obvious to me anyway.

 

[bluestevon]

As I've said before, Bayern have a deal in place with Benfica for Renato Sanches which rises to €80M.

So add them to the list.

Not strictly true mate

They haven't agreed a deal that will rise to 80m at all Dave, they have paid 35m Euros and it''s been suggested that another 45m Euros in theory can be earned by the selling club IF the player hits every single one of the performance targets in the transfer.

From the Bayern Chairman for example

"The transfer fee for the current international, who was voted the Shooting Star of Portuguese Football in his home country yesterday is €35million, plus possible bonus payments that could become due if for example the player is named in the World Team of the Year or FIFA World Player of the Year."

The Likelihood is that it'll have stuff such a Ballon Dor nomination bonus, Ballon Dor winner, payments for CL title wins, a ridiculous amount of other goal, appearance and trophy targets that the player will likely never come close to reaching the majority of

Same way that Martial massive money transfer to United didn't cost them anything of the sort which was being reported and almost certainly never will do either.

In summary mate, Bayern won't pay out 60m quid up front on a player, it is completely against there very established and successful modus operandi