Moshiri On Lukaku Contract Refusal

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degsy said:
didn't moyes trigger fellaini's buy out only to get knocked back and had to come back with a bigger offer
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No, Fellaini's clause was (if I remember rightly) about £24m, but it had an expiry date of something like 1st August every summer

United did bid for him before that deadline expired, but under that amount. In fact they were only submitting joint bids for Baines and Fellaini before the deadline expired.

Moyes and United assumed that they would be able to convince us to sell for less than the buy-out clause. After the buy-out clause expired for the year, United bid the value of his buy-out clause a little bit later which we refused (as we were allowed to), eventually making them pay £3.5m over the clause.

Kenwright may get some justified stick at times, but he played an absolute blinder with that one
 
I think it's a case of, he is not leaving for less than the price we want. He either signs the contract and had a potential move, or he doesn't and he stays on the wage he is on and we still won't accept less than what we think he is worth.
 
ALANSTUBBS said:
If it happens it happens.

Look at Spurs and Bale.

Calm down folks
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Everton fans have a weird aversion to player trading. One news story comes out and all the cries of 'typical Everton selling club' come out straight away. Top clubs turn players over far quicker than us. We've had Lukaku for 4 seasons, that's 4 more than I ever thought we would, he's not finishing his career with us so why are people melting down about this. Everton don't sell easily and we don't sell cheap. We've either got a good player or a load of cash. Club is protected either way.
 
£70m or £90m, whats the difference, he will be off as soon as soon as one of the big boys need a striker...theres not many available of his level and £90m these days isn't that much especially for a 23 year old top EPL scorer.
I think we have done well to hang on to him for this long, maybe one more season after this if we're lucky, maybe we'll qualify for the CL that season and he will decide to stay. Maybe Ill also meet Jennifer Aniston and she'll fall in love with me
 
catcherintherye said:
I read Milan (and Inter) have been bought out with mega money. I do wonder if they would fancy a statement signing. Let's face it the PLs leading goalscorer would fit that bill.

If Neymar were to go I could see Barca interested and I think he'd suit Real Madrid. As for this country United are the obvious choice. However if Chelsea get big money for Costa id sense they'd be interested. Same with Aguero and City. Arsenal would sniff around but under Wenger have never bid enough. A new manager may do though.

Essentially though I've given about a dozen clubs there.
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Inter and Milan are in a mess as clubs mate, no better off in their respective leagues than us and both with bells as owners frankly, both have fallen a long way from where they where 5-10 years ago, he'd be exchanging one situation for a identical one (ponly with less prospects going forward)

Barca - not a chance in earth, all the strikers for god knows how long share one trait - being exceptional on the ball and with superb technical ability - Rom doesn't have that by a long shot - hes all about power and his pace mate
Madrid - possible - because they don't exactly follow common sense when buying players, then again is Lukaku as good as players theyve bought even recently who can barely get a start for them - Rodriguez for example, when you can buy any player in the world youi truly want - which Madrid can, then why would they actually go for Lukaku when he is not in the category of say a Lewandowski and not even as proven as say a Aubameyang?

Chelsea - weird one as it's the medias favourite love-child to link him too, but Conte has never in his management career favoured a player like Lukaku, he goes for the Costa type (hell he went with Pelle over 'better' strikers for Italy as he could do that hold up role he wants), IF they signed him - it'd be entirely the owners doing, a vanity signing much like Torres was for them or Shevchenko

United - Has Mourinho changed his opinion on the player - he's busted him out of one club before, whilst improved, Lukaku's game is essentially the same as it ever was as a player, yet again like with Conte, he isn't the style of striker that Mourinho has ever really favoured, both prefer the technical and back to goal players, IF they bought him its again a vanity signing for them rather than one that makes any sense for the manager, team and systems they play.

City - Guardiola - again another who favours a style of striker that Rom isn't and never looks like he will become

Arsenal - Unless they change owners they are never ever gonna spend 60m+ on a player, there summer is gonna be which sees there best players leaving rather than the other way around mate

In short - yeah their are some clubs that may come for him, but with every single one there is a huge question mark as to why they'd want him given the systems they play and managers prior choice of players in that role.

Only one i'd see as nailed on to want him would be PSG
 
I know it doesn't sound much, but Rom will have been straight on The blower to Fatty when he read that statement
'You said everything was gonna be okay! He's just bluffing isn't he. Is he just bluffing, he is isn't he?!'
 
ToffeeDan said:
We've got an owner who is prepared to be straightforward and give assurances when they are needed. So far he's always been upfront and usually right.

If the sticking point is the crazy valuation then the player would be frustrated. No one can know his long term value (but perhaps the figure should be re-valued upwards if he continues to produce the goods) - after all a release clause greater than 70 but lower than 90 will start to look cheap if he carries on getting 25 league goals a season.

Anyway - for now - I'm taking it as another player and his agent talking s...e. We've got him on a 2 year contract right now, for a lot less than the 140k he's apparently been offered, so presumably something will happen in good time.. either we'll get him to sign and stay a year at a time or we'll get circa 75M for him (with no hand-out to Chelsea, one hopes).
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This is the feller who said that McCarthy was retained because he was family, Sissoko was done and dusted (denied by everyone else in on that deal), and the Koulibaly deal was agreed.

I'd say his record on players and contracts has been a lot less than "straightforward".


That statement he makes is anodyne. There's nothing other than a restatement of the current situation:

Lukaku is our player - patently that remains the case until and such a time as he's sold
We want to offer him an improved offer - same situation they've been in for 12 months

The only thing that has changed - and it is ENORMOUS - is that the player is now in a very awkward (probably irretrievable) situation with fans having made it plain that the club cant provide him with the platform he requires for his ambitions and the implications are that any agreement will be short term and result in him leaving after 12 months to pursue that ambition.

In short: bridges have been burned.
 
bluestevon said:
Inter and Milan are in a mess as clubs mate, no better off in their respective leagues than us and both with bells as owners frankly, both have fallen a long way from where they where 5-10 years ago, he'd be exchanging one situation for a identical one (ponly with less prospects going forward)

Barca - not a chance in earth, all the strikers for god knows how long share one trait - being exceptional on the ball and with superb technical ability - Rom doesn't have that by a long shot - hes all about power and his pace mate
Madrid - possible - because they don't exactly follow common sense when buying players, then again is Lukaku as good as players theyve bought even recently who can barely get a start for them - Rodriguez for example, when you can buy any player in the world youi truly want - which Madrid can, then why would they actually go for Lukaku when he is not in the category of say a Lewandowski and not even as proven as say a Aubameyang?

Chelsea - weird one as it's the medias favourite love-child to link him too, but Conte has never in his management career favoured a player like Lukaku, he goes for the Costa type (hell he went with Pelle over 'better' strikers for Italy as he could do that hold up role he wants), IF they signed him - it'd be entirely the owners doing, a vanity signing much like Torres was for them or Shevchenko

United - Has Mourinho changed his opinion on the player - he's busted him out of one club before, whilst improved, Lukaku's game is essentially the same as it ever was as a player, yet again like with Conte, he isn't the style of striker that Mourinho has ever really favoured, both prefer the technical and back to goal players, IF they bought him its again a vanity signing for them rather than one that makes any sense for the manager, team and systems they play.

City - Guardiola - again another who favours a style of striker that Rom isn't and never looks like he will become

Arsenal - Unless they change owners they are never ever gonna spend 60m+ on a player, there summer is gonna be which sees there best players leaving rather than the other way around mate

In short - yeah their are some clubs that may come for him, but with every single one there is a huge question mark as to why they'd want him given the systems they play and managers prior choice of players in that role.

Only one i'd see as nailed on to want him would be PSG
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I totally agree with this and have been saying the same for 2-3 TW, teams either can't afford him or he doesn't really fit.

Chelsea gonna pay 80-90 mil, I doubt it as they seem to have cut back on big signings, Man U are most likely to pay it but then what if they arnt in the CL and Ibra signs a contract extension, which states he must play every match, Rom then becomes a bench warmer he won't like that. We will just have to wait and see
 
bluestevon said:
Inter and Milan are in a mess as clubs mate, no better off in their respective leagues than us and both with bells as owners frankly, both have fallen a long way from where they where 5-10 years ago, he'd be exchanging one situation for a identical one (ponly with less prospects going forward)

Barca - not a chance in earth, all the strikers for god knows how long share one trait - being exceptional on the ball and with superb technical ability - Rom doesn't have that by a long shot - hes all about power and his pace mate
Madrid - possible - because they don't exactly follow common sense when buying players, then again is Lukaku as good as players theyve bought even recently who can barely get a start for them - Rodriguez for example, when you can buy any player in the world youi truly want - which Madrid can, then why would they actually go for Lukaku when he is not in the category of say a Lewandowski and not even as proven as say a Aubameyang?

Chelsea - weird one as it's the medias favourite love-child to link him too, but Conte has never in his management career favoured a player like Lukaku, he goes for the Costa type (hell he went with Pelle over 'better' strikers for Italy as he could do that hold up role he wants), IF they signed him - it'd be entirely the owners doing, a vanity signing much like Torres was for them or Shevchenko

United - Has Mourinho changed his opinion on the player - he's busted him out of one club before, whilst improved, Lukaku's game is essentially the same as it ever was as a player, yet again like with Conte, he isn't the style of striker that Mourinho has ever really favoured, both prefer the technical and back to goal players, IF they bought him its again a vanity signing for them rather than one that makes any sense for the manager, team and systems they play.

City - Guardiola - again another who favours a style of striker that Rom isn't and never looks like he will become

Arsenal - Unless they change owners they are never ever gonna spend 60m+ on a player, there summer is gonna be which sees there best players leaving rather than the other way around mate

In short - yeah their are some clubs that may come for him, but with every single one there is a huge question mark as to why they'd want him given the systems they play and managers prior choice of players in that role.

Only one i'd see as nailed on to want him would be PSG
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I hate myself for saying this but you missed the RS off this list and I think they could very much do with him. He'd fit into their counter attacking style. Hopefully they can't afford him.
 
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