Koeman Not Confident On Barkley

[nsno-chris]

That kid looks like one of them out of one direction.

I like that they're both rule breakers, sticking a big middle finger up to the warm weather by wearing winter coats

 

[windymiller]

But you said it yourself: Barkley is not obliged to sign a contract or do or say anything. The club have to negotiate...hard and in private until the window is well under way and there's still time to sell him.

Shots have been fired here way too early, and that cant be going down too well in the corridors of power.

He isn't obliged and we can argue the merits of club loyalty in home grown players in terms of staying or going but the reality is playing chicken with the club, irrespective of the managers unhelpful comments, is going to irritate and alienate supporters. Ross, as far as I am aware anyway, hasn't publicly complained about this so maybe he's not bothered but the indignation and the "poor Ross" sentiments of some posters and their refusal to understand why some supporters are upset is not proportional. As I said before, I don't think anyone involved will come out of this well.

 

[matty1878]

He's clearly wants more money or he woudnt of not signed so that's tell it all really and I'm surprised.

 

[big bobs beard]

You mean Steve McManaman who ran his contract right down and left on a free.

No Steve Mcmahon proper blue who left to go for Villa for more money then signed for the RS!

 

[evertony]

Or or... and bare with me here... maybe he wants to stay but is wanting to negotiate the pay for his services in a contracted job by using the services of a professional whose job it is to get him the best possible deal, who is ignoring arbitrary deadlines by a loudmouth egotist in press conferences because it isn't conducive to the interests of their client.

As wildly unrealistic as that sounds apparently.

Did Dave write that for you Tubes?
I don't get the animosity towards Koeman on this issue at all. His job is to build a team capable of either winning silverware or getting us into the top 4. If one of the players he thinks is key to that is stone-walling, presumably for more money or because he thinks he'll be better suited elsewhere, then why shouldn't he try to get an answer. Every poster to a man on here is clamouring for signings and wanting players in early....how do you expect Koeman to do that if the encumbent players, Barkley specifically, won't just be straight and give a yes or a no.
A simple 'yes' would I'm sure suffice and then the details of the contract can be agreed. But by keeping totally silent he's giving the distinct impression that he's either a) greedy, b) an egoist with a very high opinion of his own ability, c) stupid or d) not being able to control his agent and therefore his own destiny. What harm is there in saying 'yes' subject to you meeting my wage demands? He hasn't even said that. If his intention is to run down his contract and walk for free to obtain huge personal gain at the expense of the Club will you still be blaming Koeman for pressuring him to make a decision one way or the other?
Personally, I hope he stays...Koeman is the perfect manager to develop him.

 

[evertony]

Ahh, so he should sign for a bag of Quavers a week and half a Toblerone because he's a 'Blue'.

He hires an agent to get him maximum compensation for his services. That's how modern football works - it's a job first, a club second, and that's the way it should be.

If Everton don't value Ross at the wages he wants, then the asset is deemed unaffordable and you offload. Professionally. Not by doing what Koeman has done, which is the opposite of professionalism.

He's hardly being offered peanuts...or Quavers to be fair.
If we want to rid the club of its inferiority complex and losing mentality then we need to have somebody making tough calls....and that's what Koeman doing. Simple as.

 

[evertony]

I hear from good sources that theylre offering him less than Mirallas.

Ha ha ha ha....who told you, Sulky Kev's hairdresser?

 

[evertony]

Make no mistake: if Barkley stays now it'll be because the board have done a big deal with Barkley and not because Koeman wanted it. The manager wants him out so he can spend the cash on a player he can more easily mould.

This is a high stakes game and a lot of noses will be put out of joint if he stays or goes. The club politics involved here are significant to the future of the club.

You're chatting wham Dave.

 

[evertony]

But you said it yourself: Barkley is not obliged to sign a contract or do or say anything. The club have to negotiate...hard and in private until the window is well under way and there's still time to sell him.

Shots have been fired here way too early, and that cant be going down too well in the corridors of power.

Moshiri is a businessman first and foremost. Do you think he made his fortune by tugging his forelock to people...not a chance. He's a decision maker which is why he went all out for Koeman....a manager who will make tough decisions to meet the stated objective. You don't spend £6M a year and pay off his predecessor with £10M if you're frightened he'll ruffle feathers or if you don't want him to make decisions.

 

[evertony]

And he should. If we can't pay a talented, young, homegrown player that is ALREADY on the roster 100k per week then how in the world do we think we are going to attract top talent without the lure of Champions League.

We need to pay up for talent. We may not like it, but that is how it is. Ross believes he is worth 100k/week in this market. Fair to him, i think it may not be quite that high, but if that is the number we need then just get it done. Shows those considering us that we can and will reward good players. This is a must as we need to be looking at bringing in some players who are worth 100k/week.

If Baines/Williams/Bolasie and the like are worth ~75/wk then Ross is worth 100.

If he wants 150 then that is too much. You run the danger of setting a precedent that can be dangerous as then others expect it.

I didn't make the market. I don't like the market. But the team can't pretend that the market has not changed in the last 5 years. We either have to get on with it or get left behind.

We have enough work to do this window, we don't need to complicate it by losing good players.

If you think he's been offered less than £100K you've listened to too many WUMs.

 

[mixed_up]

If you think he's been offered less than £100K you've listened to too many WUMs.

I agree with some of your recent posts but this one is nonsense. Everton often spin things.

this report says £80k a week. From April 2017

http://metro.co.uk/2017/04/14/ronal...-future-before-the-end-of-the-season-6574827/

Everton boss Ronald Koeman has told Ross Barkley he must make up his mind on his future before the end of the season.

The playmaker is stalling over signing a new deal at Goodison Park and has just 13 months to run on his existing contract.

The Toffees have offered the 23-year-old a lucrative new deal thought to be worth around £80,000-a-week

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'around' £80k a week. That could mean £70k a week like @davek posted earlier. The £100k a week would be more than Lukaku is on and I don't believe that for a second. £70k a week would be more than Gana, Barry, and on parity with Baines (who Koeman has said has been one of our best players this season) so that makes sense to me. The 100k a week offer is just lies from the club fed to the press imo.

 

[Goat]

I agree with some of your recent posts but this one is nonsense. Everton often spin things.

this report says £80k a week. From April 2017

http://metro.co.uk/2017/04/14/ronal...-future-before-the-end-of-the-season-6574827/

Everton boss Ronald Koeman has told Ross Barkley he must make up his mind on his future before the end of the season.

The playmaker is stalling over signing a new deal at Goodison Park and has just 13 months to run on his existing contract.

The Toffees have offered the 23-year-old a lucrative new deal thought to be worth around £80,000-a-week

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'around' £80k a week. That could mean £70k a week like @davek posted earlier. The £100k a week would be more than Lukaku is on and I don't believe that for a second.

The Metro?

Crikey.

 

[rochdaleblue]

Koeman was getting stick on talksport tonight over his stance with regards to Barkley. I think he can be rightly criticised for how he publicly criticised Ross earlier in the season (even admitting so himself) but I don't see how koeman has done anything wrong regarding the contract situation. Firstly the board had shown no willingness to offer Ross a contract early. When a formal offer was finally forthcoming it was turned down. Rightly in my opinion, koeman has said Ross can be sold, as we can't afford to lose potentially 20m+ next summer, if he doesn't sign his contract. The problem in all this is the boards ineptitude in allowing Ross to run his contract down do he only has a year left.

 

[Frank Gallagher]

Everton have long been a prudent club.. It seems in mosh we have someone at the helm who is proving to be the same... from what we have seen so far we will continue to be prudent and wont be pandering to players financial demands.. homegrown or not.

 

[rochdaleblue]

Everton have long been a prudent club.. It seems in mosh we have someone at the helm who is proving to be the same... from what we have seen so far we will continue to be prudent and wont be pandering to players financial demands.. homegrown or not.

Until we 'grow the brand' and significantly increase commercial and match day revenue we are not in a position 'to be pandering to players financial demands'. There is a real danger that even Spurs, CL football and new stadium next year are struggling to keep hold of walker, rose and dier as the likes of city and United will pay them substantially more.