Israelis have been kidnapping and murdering Palestinians for decades ffs
It makes me mad the right wing lies
Current Affairs Israel is an apartheid state
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It makes me mad the right wing lies
Every Israeli sympathiser ignores this EVERY timeAlso stealing Land.
tsubaki
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pete - removing Hamas will not solve this problem by itself; the reason Hamas exists (ie: the occupation) has to be dealt with too
It is terrifying that the media coverage on this is completely one sided as usual and the reality of things are blurred so much that it blinds people to the truth. Israel will kill 10 times as many innocent Palestinians in the days to come but the main headline is what hamas did. Much like last year where after the conflict, Palestine got red cross packages at the cease fire and Israel got all their rockets restocked.
It scares me as well that in times of this conflict the voice of Palestine is never heard, the story is for Vs against Jews which is not the story at all and hasn't been for 70 years but the media and famous Jewish celebrities are actively pushing this as an act against Jewish people.
One side fight for their lives and the other fight to take their land. They are not the same.
It scares me as well that in times of this conflict the voice of Palestine is never heard, the story is for Vs against Jews which is not the story at all and hasn't been for 70 years but the media and famous Jewish celebrities are actively pushing this as an act against Jewish people.
One side fight for their lives and the other fight to take their land. They are not the same.
Do you genuinely believe this Pete..?
JobForTheMoyes
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I speak like a croakie smoky!
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Pete, we have to remove the reason groups such as Hamas are able to exist. If you remove Hamas, and continue to treat Palestinians like animals, another group will take it's place. The lack of humanity shown towards innocent people for decades has created this. One person's terrorist is another person's freedom fighter.
Spadge Vernacular
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The current situation surrounding Vladimir Putin and his mafia regime, as is evident in the events in Ukraine, raises obviois concerns with respect to international law and human rights. This is nothing new with Putin though as his war criminality starts pretty much the day he came into power. Core to this is Putin’s direct influence on actors in the Middle East, specifically, the relationship between Iran and Hamas, Hezbollah etc. Putin’s regime and his network is reminiscent of fictional entities like SPECTRE, due to alleged involvement in global criminality, war crimes and mass violence. Any thought of agreeing with him or validating his voice is repulsive.
Putin's willingness to disregard the lives of his own citizens and cause harm to those he considers as brethren is evident. His strategic objectives seem to prioritise the expansion of his empire, importantly in light of these events, even at the cost of destabilising the Middle East.
Hamas will not act without the say so of their benefactors, Iran. The Iranian regime, in turn, is supported by and is supporting Putin's mafia. This raises questions about the extent to which Putin may be involved in, or at least aware of, the actions of groups like Hamas, given his strategic interests in the Middle East.
Putin's interests align with attempts to divert attention away from the West and Ukraine. One obvious tactic is by sowing division and discord in the United States. Putin’s strategy aims to paint him as a rational actor rather than a ruthless aggressor. It seems that he has successfully manipulated and influenced a significant number of people to support his agenda. That said, anyone looking at Russia’s actions in Ukraine under Putin’s orders can see that he is a ruthless war criminal. Much the same as Hamas. Netanyahu is cut of the same cloth.
The global response to these developments will rightly be unequivocally critical of the violence and aggression witnessed. There is a shared desire among the international community for a peaceful resolution to the ongoing conflicts. However, the complicating factor is the apparent psychopathic tendencies of the Iranian regime and Putin. Their interests are driven autocratic personal and political gains, and a peaceful resolution will not be in their best interests. The previous behaviours of the Israel state clearly being fundamental to this but the weekends atrocities have not been designed to help, of that I am sure.
The situation is a disgraceful failure in international leadership but underscores the need for a comprehensive understanding of the actors involved, their motivations, and their potential impact on the quest for peace and stability in the region. Also, as with Ukraine, that aggression will not be addressed head on.
But agreeing with a Putin is not helpful.
Spadge Vernacular
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I was at a performance tonight which happened to be hosted by the local Uni's head of their jewish society. He did not need to offer this but It was nice to hear the need for prayers and thoughts for both Palestine and Isreal.
Spadge Vernacular
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You would hope that an adult human would be of the opinion that bombing and killing civilians, women and children, should 100% result in a date at the Hague.
Zatara
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When Hamas violently toppled Fatah there were videos and photos posted of 18 Fatah members kneeling and executed by Hamas.
Not so a deportation, unless its deportation to the afterlife.
Why post this?
Its incredibly sick to seemingly justify the murders by suggesting if theyre children and not babies its different.
Russian MP Sergey Markov
Friday October 13th is designated by Hamas as the day of a general pogrom against Jews. They call on Muslims around the world to attack Jews everywhere on October 13th.
And there are many Muslims in all European countries! Therefore, on October 13th there will be something like an unofficial state of emergency in all European countries.
In which cities are the largest Jewish pogroms expected? In Paris and Brussels.
Jews feel safe in Russia.
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There should be severe consequences and multipe arrests tomorrow.
Hey mate, check out the Tattoo thread, lots of wokes to educate in here!: https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/tattoos.118371/page-5
I don't know what their problem is but I'm certain it has something to do with Hunter Biden's laptop. Best of luck mate, thanks for all your help in this thread!
Zatara
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You'd be ok with your friends, family and neighbours suffering an attack from a terror group like the one weve just seen?
Then receiving no support?
The double standard with Israel and Palestine leaves us in moral darkness
Moustafa Bayoumi
Biden and Zelenskiy support a war they say was ‘unprovoked’ but a defenseless population will pay for media misinformation
Wed 11 Oct 2023 11.00 BST
I always dread watching US news coverage of wars, and now is no exception. After Hamas’s deadly attacks in Israel and Israel’s hellish bombardment of Gaza, I checked in on MSNBC. Before long, I heard one of their reporters talk about “the violent history between these two nations” – as if Palestine were a country – and had to turn off the TV to get a break. Palestine is not a country. That’s the whole point. Palestinians in Gaza, the West Bank, and Israel all live under various regimes of organized discrimination and oppression, much of which makes life nearly unlivable, and if the US media can’t even frame the issue correctly, what use is there in even covering it?
It’s not just laziness either. The reflexive identification with Israel, by both US media professionals and politicians, always obscures the fuller picture of what’s happening between Israel and the Palestinians. On 7 October, the National Security Council spokesperson Adrienne Watson stated that the US “unequivocally condemns the unprovoked attacks by Hamas terrorists against Israeli civilians”. Every one of us must stand up and denounce the killing of every civilian, Israeli or Palestinian or otherwise. But Watson’s use of the word “unprovoked” is doing a lot of work here.
What exactly counts as a provocation? Not, apparently, the large number of settlers, more than 800 by one media account, who stormed al-Aqsa mosque on 5 October. Not the 248 Palestinians killed by Israeli forces or settlers between 1 January and 4 October of this year. Not the denial of Palestinian human rights and national aspirations for decades. One can, in fact must, see such actions as provocations without endorsing further murderous violence against civilians. But if you watched only US news, you would be likely to presume that Palestinians always act while Israel only reacts. You might even think that Palestinians are the ones colonizing the land of Israel, no less. And you probably believe that Israel, which holds ultimate control over the lives of 5 million Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza and yet denies them the right to vote in Israeli elections, is a democracy.
To be considered a political being you must at the very least be considered a human being. Who gets to count as human? “I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed. We are fighting human animals and we are acting accordingly,” Israel’s defense minister Yoav Gallant said. Human animals? How can such language and an announced policy of collective punishment against all the residents of Gaza be seen by Israel’s supporters in the United States or elsewhere as defensible? Let’s be clear: Gallant’s language is not the rhetoric of deterrence. It’s the language of genocide.
There’s the nagging hypocrisy of the war in Ukraine. So many around the world support Ukraine’s resistance to foreign occupation (as they should) but blithely deny Palestinians any way to resist their occupation. Even non-violent methods of resistance like the boycott, divestment and sanctions campaign is vilified and even criminalized. Why the double standard? Unsurprisingly, such stances go all the way to the top. The Ukraine president Volodymyr Zelenskiy has twice voiced unilateral support for Israel in recent days, saying that “Israel’s right to self-defense is unquestionable”. Would he say the same for Russia on his territory? Of course not. Zelenskiy ought to see how his invaded and occupied land is more akin to the situation of the Palestinians than the Israelis. The obfuscations are everywhere.
So are the double standards. We will certainly hear a great deal in the United States about the Israeli Americans killed or abducted by Hamas, as we should, but will those same voices rise to the same volume for Palestinian Americans threatened and killed in Gaza? Did they also demand answers when the Israeli military shot and killed the Palestinian American journalist Shireen Abu Akleh in May 2022?
The double standard may be expected considering how the plight of the Palestinians has been discussed in the past, but that doesn’t eliminate its moral darkness. It’s also particularly dangerous and tone-deaf at this moment, when we’re on the cusp of a government – Israel – using unprecedented violence on a largely defenseless and penned-in population, in part to cover for its own fatal mistakes and embarrassment.
One fundamental way this double standard operates is through a false equivalence, a two-sides-ism that hides the massive asymmetry of power between the state of Israel and the scattered population groupings that make up the Palestinian people. They’re not equal. One dominates while the other is dominated. One colonizes. The other is colonized.
At least since the Oslo accords of 1993, we’ve been sold various promises that the way out of this injustice was negotiated settlements; after generations of enormous human sacrifice, Palestinians would finally achieve their national aspirations. It was already clear to many of us that this had long ago become a necessary illusion maintained by the powerful. Today, a negotiated peace seems farther away than ever.
This both saddens and frightens me. We are very likely entering another long and painful era where armed struggle and violent domination become increasingly and mutually dependent on each other for survival. Yet neither can win. The Palestinians will remain. They cannot be eliminated. Israel too will continue to exist. The future is full of unnecessary and horrific bloodshed all around. Desperate western attachment to morally bankrupt double standards bears a large portion of the blame.
- Moustafa Bayoumi is the author of the award-winning books How Does It Feel to Be a Problem?: Being Young and Arab in America and This Muslim American Life: Dispatches from the War on Terror. He is a professor of English at Brooklyn College, City University of New York. He is a contributing opinion writer at the Guardian US
That man is absolutely disgusting, didnt get past the first couple of paragraphs.
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