davek
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Loves beating down on the oppressed: transpeople and Gazan's forced to live their lives in the gutter.
The hobgoblin obsessed semi-literate.
Current Affairs Israel is an apartheid state
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The hobgoblin obsessed semi-literate.
davek
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I said a day or two ago that the PL are blessed that there;s no games this week.
There'd be major disruptions to any Establishment demands for backing the state of Israel up. They are rightly detested by most working class people in this country.
Yarrgh
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Sounds like a warning. I hope it's just fear mongering and that Muslims and Jews are safe everywhere and that sense prevails.Russian MP Sergey Markov
Friday October 13th is designated by Hamas as the day of a general pogrom against Jews. They call on Muslims around the world to attack Jews everywhere on October 13th.
And there are many Muslims in all European countries! Therefore, on October 13th there will be something like an unofficial state of emergency in all European countries.
In which cities are the largest Jewish pogroms expected? In Paris and Brussels.
Jews feel safe in Russia.
Логика Маркова
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davek
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Russian MP Sergey Markov
Friday October 13th is designated by Hamas as the day of a general pogrom against Jews. They call on Muslims around the world to attack Jews everywhere on October 13th.
And there are many Muslims in all European countries! Therefore, on October 13th there will be something like an unofficial state of emergency in all European countries.
In which cities are the largest Jewish pogroms expected? In Paris and Brussels.
Jews feel safe in Russia.
Логика Маркова
Канал зарегистрирован в РКН https://knd.gov.ru/license?id=67642a951e4e233a7155c9b5®istryType=bloggersPermission НАСТОЯЩИЙ МАТЕРИАЛ (ИНФОРМАЦИЯ) ПРОИЗВЕДЕН И (ИЛИ) РАСПРОСТРАНЕН ИНОСТРАННЫМ АГЕНТОМ МАРКОВЫМ СЕРГЕЕМ АЛЕКСАНДРОВИЧЕМ а ЛИБО КАСАЕТСЯ
I expect districts in cities here with Jewish profiles are a bit nervous: Golders Green, Giffnock, Salford, Childwall.
coollino
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I can imagine more people in the UK dislike Muslims (and terrorists) than the state of Israel
I'm not fully sure most even know that much about Gaza
Despite some tangential posts thrown in the mix, this has been a good thread for information to be shared. Certainly there are some very knowledgeable posters in here.
I have a question I have been thinking about to which someone may know the answer. What was the general awareness of the Palestinian situation from 1947 to the early 70s? I’m in my early 40s, so don’t have any firsthand experience from that time.
I have a question I have been thinking about to which someone may know the answer. What was the general awareness of the Palestinian situation from 1947 to the early 70s? I’m in my early 40s, so don’t have any firsthand experience from that time.
Its disgusting the amount of support Israel is getting in the media.
I get it, Terrorists bad, but Israel is a terrorist state and both should be treated with the same contempt.
I get it, Terrorists bad, but Israel is a terrorist state and both should be treated with the same contempt.
We just have to ban all the cheap Chinese crap being imported in to the UK, EU and US to stop China in its tracks... lol
They absolutely will not have it, but what Israel is doing to the Palestinians is the start of what the Nazi's did to the Jews during WW2..
mightymoyes
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The double standard with Israel and Palestine leaves us in moral darkness
Moustafa Bayoumi
Biden and Zelenskiy support a war they say was ‘unprovoked’ but a defenseless population will pay for media misinformation
Wed 11 Oct 2023 11.00 BST
I always dread watching US news coverage of wars, and now is no exception. After Hamas’s deadly attacks in Israel and Israel’s hellish bombardment of Gaza, I checked in on MSNBC. Before long, I heard one of their reporters talk about “the violent history between these two nations” – as if Palestine were a country – and had to turn off the TV to get a break. Palestine is not a country. That’s the whole point. Palestinians in Gaza, the West Bank, and Israel all live under various regimes of organized discrimination and oppression, much of which makes life nearly unlivable, and if the US media can’t even frame the issue correctly, what use is there in even covering it?
It’s not just laziness either. The reflexive identification with Israel, by both US media professionals and politicians, always obscures the fuller picture of what’s happening between Israel and the Palestinians. On 7 October, the National Security Council spokesperson Adrienne Watson stated that the US “unequivocally condemns the unprovoked attacks by Hamas terrorists against Israeli civilians”. Every one of us must stand up and denounce the killing of every civilian, Israeli or Palestinian or otherwise. But Watson’s use of the word “unprovoked” is doing a lot of work here.
What exactly counts as a provocation? Not, apparently, the large number of settlers, more than 800 by one media account, who stormed al-Aqsa mosque on 5 October. Not the 248 Palestinians killed by Israeli forces or settlers between 1 January and 4 October of this year. Not the denial of Palestinian human rights and national aspirations for decades. One can, in fact must, see such actions as provocations without endorsing further murderous violence against civilians. But if you watched only US news, you would be likely to presume that Palestinians always act while Israel only reacts. You might even think that Palestinians are the ones colonizing the land of Israel, no less. And you probably believe that Israel, which holds ultimate control over the lives of 5 million Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza and yet denies them the right to vote in Israeli elections, is a democracy.
To be considered a political being you must at the very least be considered a human being. Who gets to count as human? “I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed. We are fighting human animals and we are acting accordingly,” Israel’s defense minister Yoav Gallant said. Human animals? How can such language and an announced policy of collective punishment against all the residents of Gaza be seen by Israel’s supporters in the United States or elsewhere as defensible? Let’s be clear: Gallant’s language is not the rhetoric of deterrence. It’s the language of genocide.
There’s the nagging hypocrisy of the war in Ukraine. So many around the world support Ukraine’s resistance to foreign occupation (as they should) but blithely deny Palestinians any way to resist their occupation. Even non-violent methods of resistance like the boycott, divestment and sanctions campaign is vilified and even criminalized. Why the double standard? Unsurprisingly, such stances go all the way to the top. The Ukraine president Volodymyr Zelenskiy has twice voiced unilateral support for Israel in recent days, saying that “Israel’s right to self-defense is unquestionable”. Would he say the same for Russia on his territory? Of course not. Zelenskiy ought to see how his invaded and occupied land is more akin to the situation of the Palestinians than the Israelis. The obfuscations are everywhere.
So are the double standards. We will certainly hear a great deal in the United States about the Israeli Americans killed or abducted by Hamas, as we should, but will those same voices rise to the same volume for Palestinian Americans threatened and killed in Gaza? Did they also demand answers when the Israeli military shot and killed the Palestinian American journalist Shireen Abu Akleh in May 2022?
The double standard may be expected considering how the plight of the Palestinians has been discussed in the past, but that doesn’t eliminate its moral darkness. It’s also particularly dangerous and tone-deaf at this moment, when we’re on the cusp of a government – Israel – using unprecedented violence on a largely defenseless and penned-in population, in part to cover for its own fatal mistakes and embarrassment.
One fundamental way this double standard operates is through a false equivalence, a two-sides-ism that hides the massive asymmetry of power between the state of Israel and the scattered population groupings that make up the Palestinian people. They’re not equal. One dominates while the other is dominated. One colonizes. The other is colonized.
At least since the Oslo accords of 1993, we’ve been sold various promises that the way out of this injustice was negotiated settlements; after generations of enormous human sacrifice, Palestinians would finally achieve their national aspirations. It was already clear to many of us that this had long ago become a necessary illusion maintained by the powerful. Today, a negotiated peace seems farther away than ever.
This both saddens and frightens me. We are very likely entering another long and painful era where armed struggle and violent domination become increasingly and mutually dependent on each other for survival. Yet neither can win. The Palestinians will remain. They cannot be eliminated. Israel too will continue to exist. The future is full of unnecessary and horrific bloodshed all around. Desperate western attachment to morally bankrupt double standards bears a large portion of the blame.
- Moustafa Bayoumi is the author of the award-winning books How Does It Feel to Be a Problem?: Being Young and Arab in America and This Muslim American Life: Dispatches from the War on Terror. He is a professor of English at Brooklyn College, City University of New York. He is a contributing opinion writer at the Guardian US
davek
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They know all about bullies and how to treat them.
I had this conversation in work before. Like you I'm early 40's and as a kid all we saw on the news was Palestinian terrorists and Yasser Arafat. They are the bad guys. But we never had an explanation why!!
summerisle
The rain, it raineth every day
This is a new one on me, surprised it's not all over the news.
Tennessee Blue Mike
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Actually it is a special FBI group. I understand Seal Team six is along with them.
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