Current Affairs Israel is an apartheid state

[WA Toffee]

I've thought about this. There's no way they didn't know.

Could the Israelis have let this happen so they can justify a huge attack on Hamas?

No, I don't think so.

 

[DualityNSNO]

No, I don't think so.

Why, genuinely?

It's not the likeliest scenario but don't think it's easily denied. Won't even be the shadiest thing done or anything, just an excuse to attack.

 

[Tramps_mate]

The Hamas commanders facing assassination by Israeli death squads

Sources said that Israel would put pressure on countries like Qatar , which has donated hundreds of millions of dollars to Hamas and currently houses Hamas Chief Ismail Hainyeh.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Is that a good thing then?

You approve of more people (doesn't matter who they are) being murdered..?

 

[WA Toffee]

Why, genuinely?

It's not the likeliest scenario but don't think it's easily denied. Won't even be the shadiest thing done or anything, just an excuse to attack.

Mainly because, for decades they have been taking more land whenever they want, firing missiles whenever they want, killing whoever they want.

They don't need a false flag operation to justify attacking Hamas or the Gaza strip, they have shown countless times that they will just do it.

 

[DualityNSNO]

Is that a good thing then?

You approve of more people (doesn't matter who they are) being murdered..?

The thing with killing a separatist leader is that there's no uniform outcome really. There's probably a course of action for the scenario as well and it will no doubt not be a rosy one. This "strike at the heart of the organisation" thing is very movie like but can't recall once where it worked on its own.

As to killing more people - either side will continue doing this, sadly, as they've done for a while - this isn't a fresh conflict or something like that after all. Work towards some kind of peace seems like pipe dream to me, but that's a personal feeling I suppose, not what might actually happen or what's actually possible.

 

[DualityNSNO]

Mainly because, for decades they have been taking more land whenever they want, firing missiles whenever they want, killing whoever they want.

They don't need a false flag operation to justify attacking Hamas or the Gaza strip, they have shown countless times that they will just do it.

That's true, and they don't need it for themselves, but this is arguably the most tech-advanced and covert country in the world currently - they might need this for the foreign eyes, in a way, and they're known to be a bit brutal, so "what are a few hundred deaths if we can destroy Palestine" is, sadly, an idea I can genuinely see spawning there.

All speculation and personal opinion here of course.

 

[peteblue]

There is the cost - I'm not sure what the GDP of the Gaza strip is, but desal plants cost in the hundreds of millions, and to provide enough water for the entire population would be in the billions.
Also, I imagine the costs of installing an electricity grid for the entire population would also be quite prohibitive, even without the resources required to actually run it.

So, politics aside, I think it would still be near impossible for the Gaza strip to become self sufficient for water and electricity.

EU aid to Palestine runs into the hundreds of millions…

 

[Zatara]

He reminds me of Kieran, in the sense that his posts are so tedious I can just instantly scroll past them and don't even need to put him on ignore. That goes for his football posts too let alone his posts in CA.

Said the person who opened this thread with a poorly chosen at best title.

Not hard to guess your view.

Am I the only one that think this absolutely reeks of covert Russian support of Hamas?

Theyve had high level meetings these last months, two we know about. Dont think Iran ($100mil a year funding), Syrian and Russian involvement is covert at this point.

The ones that are elsewhere are always elsewhere, you can't travel freely to Gaza and back, especially if you're a Hamas leader.

Funny that the buggers funding both sides are thousands of miles from the conflict, ain't it?

Desalination lol.

Do you know how expensive and inefficient desalination is? You know that Israel also controls Gaza's energy as well as its water. It's an absolute non-starter in Gaza.

A leader of a terror group cant travel freely...

I've thought about this. There's no way they didn't know.

Could the Israelis have let this happen so they can justify a huge attack on Hamas?

They dont need justification to attack a terror group.

Is that a good thing then?

You approve of more people (doesn't matter who they are) being murdered..?

Suppose it depends if you wanted Bin Laden and the ISIS leaders murdered or not.

Surely its better to cut the heads off the hydra than a full assault on Gaza where there will be innocent vicims.

 

[Moomin]

Perhaps, I guess it means I fit right in as this thread has plenty of ill informed comment on pretty much every aspect of this whole bloody mess.

I think on that note I'll bow out and put the thread on ignore as there's literally nothing to gained from further contribution.

Sorry for any offended parties.

You've not offended me, I've found your views to be balanced and informative.

It's a dire situation and the actions of Hamas are horrible but at the same time Isreal don't have clean hands.

I feel for the innocent people on both sides and can't see it being resolved.

 

[WA Toffee]

EU aid to Palestine runs into the hundreds of millions…

I'm sure it does, but I would guess that is earmarked for specific projects. But I think they would probably need billions to generate a reliable and durable source of water and electricity for everyone.

I'm not suggesting cost is the only thing stopping them, but I think it is one major factor

 

[peteblue]

You've not offended me, I've found your views to be balanced and informative.

It's a dire situation and the actions of Hamas are horrible but at the same time Isreal don't have clean hands.

I feel for the innocent people on both sides and can't see it being resolved.

Indeed….

 

[bcblue1878]

Governments, political figures, regimes (and sometimes big business/the elites).

If you want to blame anyone for war, it begins with the above and never the people.

Throw in religion as well and it gets even messier!

 

[coollino]

I think it was the IRA that said we only need to get lucky once, you need to be lucky every time.

I really can't imagine that Israel would let this happen if they had any fore knowledge, they have demonstrated many times that they will just take what they want and target who they want, whenever they want.

They don't need a false flag operation to do whatever they are going to do.

maybe their technology etc isn't as good as they say then, that is very very possible

 

[coollino]

You've not offended me, I've found your views to be balanced and informative.

It's a dire situation and the actions of Hamas are horrible but at the same time Isreal don't have clean hands.

I feel for the innocent people on both sides and can't see it being resolved.

there is only one genuine nutter is this thread tbh, discounting that user yesterday who has now gone

 

[WA Toffee]

maybe their technology etc isn't as good as they say then, that is very very possible

Quite possibly.
I think lack of concrete intelligence on what, when and how is the most likely scenario