I’m not being facetious, but you do know what a blockade is, right?
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peteblue
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But does Israel really have that power. Can they stop buildings being put up, can they stop shops opening, can they stop Hamas getting hold of 5,000 missiles and arms, no they can’t and if they blew up desalination plants or electricity generating systems then the world opinion would be against them. This simple fact is they haven’t done it…..
peteblue
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And you do know that Gaza is connected to Egypt, right…….
Yeah, Pete, that’s not how it works for numerous reasons though.
Firstly, I see you’d commented about rockets etc getting there, well rockets and small arms are way easier to smuggle in than creating waterways, sewage systems, and water treatment plants right under the people blockading you’s nose.
Secondly, if Egypt did try and go behind Israel’s back and give these things, then there would be massive political and possibly even military ramifications from Israel and possibly the US.
Properly puzzled me that. And over the past 4-5 days there've been a few.
hamas knows full well the whirlwind of reactionary violence in retaliation it's attacks reaps. It is a calculated offensive. hamas has the same disdain for palestinian life as the israelis. (on a side note of thought, I've always wondered why hamas or significant fighter for palestine doesn't attack israeli infrastructure, "no water/electricity/food" for us all, instead of the self immolating nature of targetless attacks - I aint no expert though!)
peteblue
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Anyone providing water and electricity would be congratulated by world opinion. The problem is Hamas, they have one agenda, the destruction of Israel. I don’t think they give a crap about the Palestinians in Gaza, it is in their interest to maintain a grievance, and the latest attacks merely reinforce that view tbh……
peteblue
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Indeed. It was not an offensive, an offensive would have been aimed at the Politicians and military. This was just an act of terror against kids at a festival, random killings of innocents and the taking of hostages. Hamas leaders know what comes next and that’s why many of them are elsewhere at the moment. There is a bigger picture orchestrated by Iran who are also laying low at the moment….like you, I just find all of this really upsetting for the absolute meaningless loss of innocent lives….
No, I agree, Hamas don’t give a damn about Palestinians, and that Hamas are probably working towards ethnic cleansing goals of their own. That doesn’t mean that the near 2 million innocent people in Palestine and Gaza deserve to bear the brunt for what Hamas have done.
But to say any nation would even be allowed to provide them with fresh water, food, irrigation and sewage systems etc is incredibly naive. Even if they did, Israel can and will easily target any of this infrastructure to Gaza or the West Bank anyway. They’ve literally bombed a school, a mosque and additionally killed around 600 people today. In 2014 or 2015 they literally shot into crowds of peaceful protesters, and their snipers have shot literal children numerous times, and in 2015 they fired a rocket which they called a “tragic accident” which killed 4 children between the ages of 9 and 11.
There is the cost - I'm not sure what the GDP of the Gaza strip is, but desal plants cost in the hundreds of millions, and to provide enough water for the entire population would be in the billions.
Also, I imagine the costs of installing an electricity grid for the entire population would also be quite prohibitive, even without the resources required to actually run it.
So, politics aside, I think it would still be near impossible for the Gaza strip to become self sufficient for water and electricity.
Zatara
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They were very direct in their views but it seems they arent alone in them.
For stating Hamas needs to be wiped out?
Posts like yours in black and white terms show support for a terror group. Because if you disagree with my view then surely you support Hamas.
See those people outside the Israeli embassy cheering and celebrating the attack on innocent people? They should all be arrested.
Exactly thank you. Thats the sole view ive put across.
However 'most' seem to not blame Hamas and insinuate that this terror group that doesnt want peace isnt to blame, but Israel is responsible for the attack for not providing peace.
What kind of logic is that?
Of course. If otherwise, then any of the close 'friendly' countries could have offered to repatriate Palestinians.
But simply, they cant because of Hamas and its supporters.
This is what ive repeatedly tried to point out. There is no benefit to Hamas in peace and turning Gaza into a thriving place of happiness.
The opposite makes them relevant.
Two main agendas, destruction of Israel and death to all Jews.
Also, as ive pointed out multiple times they murder/execute Palestinians as well.
Im uncertain whether some posters understand that Hamas arent actually looking for peace and only want fear and terror to keep them relevant to their Iranian backers and $100mil+ annual support.
Or they just dont care at all and solely want Israeli's to suffer. As the constant deflections seem to suggest.
What do you think?
Also, two things here that need to be understood:
1: Hamas does not support Palestinians and certainly does not want peacs
2: Hamas is a terror group and must be destroyed.
Zatara
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RICHARD LITTLEJOHN:How can the Left make excuses for a terrorist group
RICHARD LITTLEJOHN: With depressing predictability, the anti-Semites are out on the streets of Britain again, in the absurd guise of condemning Israeli 'aggression'.
A very, very good article.
BNJ1878
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I have been wondering over the past couple of days, how many Jewish people are signed up to GOT?
They're probably mortified at what's going on (both sides) and utterly shocked at the amount of ill-informed "this is all on the Israelis" comments they read here.
I only ask because I also read and occasionally post on another far, FAR smaller Everton forum (probably 50x smaller. I have no idea tbh) and 3 posters riased their hands yesterday as Jewish and said they where utterly shocked at the levels of anti-semetism posted by fellow Evertonians.
These aren't people condoning the actions of the Israeli leadership, these are just normal people who happen to be Jewish.
Posts above types by @from_the_eighties are the worst I have ever read on GOT. It's a perfect example of how the Internet, the greatest tool available to man is wasted on mouth breathing knumbskulls like them.
Rather than educate themselves they just regurgitate garbage.
What an Arsehole.
They're probably mortified at what's going on (both sides) and utterly shocked at the amount of ill-informed "this is all on the Israelis" comments they read here.
I only ask because I also read and occasionally post on another far, FAR smaller Everton forum (probably 50x smaller. I have no idea tbh) and 3 posters riased their hands yesterday as Jewish and said they where utterly shocked at the levels of anti-semetism posted by fellow Evertonians.
These aren't people condoning the actions of the Israeli leadership, these are just normal people who happen to be Jewish.
Posts above types by @from_the_eighties are the worst I have ever read on GOT. It's a perfect example of how the Internet, the greatest tool available to man is wasted on mouth breathing knumbskulls like them.
Rather than educate themselves they just regurgitate garbage.
What an Arsehole.
Zatara
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Aside from them, is it anti semetism (this thread title which ive said several times is simply false for example:
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4343950
).
Or do you think that people have no idea of who carried out, and why the attacks have occurred?
The constant posts about innocent Palestinians (whose lives Hamas also destroy) and finger pointing at Israel seemingly 'deserving it'...
...doesnt look like that chaps post was a one off to me.
This article i posted above explains alot:
RICHARD LITTLEJOHN:How can the Left make excuses for a terrorist group
RICHARD LITTLEJOHN: With depressing predictability, the anti-Semites are out on the streets of Britain again, in the absurd guise of condemning Israeli 'aggression'.
Im shocked and disturbed at posters who fail to understand that Hamas doesnt want or care about peace or Palestinians.
Perhaps they just 'choose' not to care as it supports an anti-Israeli or anti-Jew belief.
Hamas attacking and taking innocent lives has nothing to do with Palestine/Israel issues and all to do with Iran and relevancy.
Its that obvious and easy to understand.
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