Current Affairs Irish Border and Brexit

[Khalekan]

Good points.
I see the Scotland/England relationship as an internal UK issue as opposed to the Ireland/UK issue.
Scotland will push for independence no matter what happens in NI and given the Brexit mess, they're likely to win it IMHO.
They would still have to go through the EU re entry process. God knows how that border situation would resolve it's self but it's far less likely to be as volatile as the British border in Ireland. It's kicking the 'border' can down the road but it might buy time to sort the mess out.

The Irish are only happy with the status quo, i.e. an open border between two zones in a common market.
The prospect of an open border between two countries with different markets is a mess no one in the Republic wants.

Nor anyone in the North.

Thus logjam could very easily be broken if May was not being held to ransom by the DUP.

 

[Ron Swanson]

I think you are just making excuses for the behaviour of the EU and ROI. We are where we are, now it’s about what do we do......

What does that even mean? The EU and ROI have done NOTHING but protect their country/members interests in a process that they did not start or want.

Christ on a bike.

 

[Ron Swanson]

We all understand this. However the U.K. has put in law that it will not do so. So at the moment, only the EU and ROI are being realistic and honest about it.

fixed

 

[Ron Swanson]

There you go, steriotyping. Most of the killings have come from the south or southern wanting people’s.

The vast majority of murderers, on both sides, were from NI.

 

[peteblue]

What does that even mean? The EU and ROI have done NOTHING but protect their country/members interests in a process that they did not start or want.

Christ on a bike.

You keep looking for someone to blame instead of a solution. Fine, enjoy......

 

[Ruairi77]

You keep looking for someone to blame instead of a solution. Fine, enjoy......

the onus is on the UK to find a solution.

 

[bigbadjeff]

The vast majority of murderers, on both sides, were from NI.

Read what I wrote before you call me out.

 

[Ruairi77]

Read what I wrote before you call me out.

you said "Most of the killings have come from the south"

 

[bigbadjeff]

I said people who flavour the south. I have friends in the south who don’t support the violent struggle of dissident republicans.
Do you support murder to achieve a political aim?

 

[SteveSC]

I said people who flavour the south. I have friends in the south who don’t support the violent struggle of dissident republicans.
Do you support murder to achieve a political aim?

You said first " I don’t want anything to do with the south, those of who do have murdered my friends."

It implies you hate everyone in the south. Because they are murderers or condone murderers. Although i asked to clarify because your sentence is muddled.

Instead of clarifying you went straight to insults and saying i was stereotyping.

You then went onto say....

"Most of the killings have come from the south or southern wanting people’s."

Only when you got push back you tried changing tact.

Trying to then turn it on people who called you out by saying they condone murder only backs up why people are p*ss*d with your comments.

No one here condones murder and also no one here wants to listen to people with your type of rhetoric because its not helpful and for those of us like yourself who grew up in Ireland north or south we are only to familiar with hate and hate speeches that led to more trouble.

Tone it down. Or think about what you said. Your words not ours.

 

[Ruairi77]

I said people who flavour the south. I have friends in the south who don’t support the violent struggle of dissident republicans.
Do you support murder to achieve a political aim?

you said "Most of the killings have come from the south"

 

[roydo]

you said "Most of the killings have come from the south"

I havnt got a dog in this fight, but selective quoting does not help. You acknowledged yourself what he said.

You then went onto say....

"Most of the killings have come from the south or southern wanting people’s."

You could argues the toss all night long how many were killed by who and why and when and how, but for the future of this thread, or your and @bigbadjeff being participants in it, I suggest neither of you do.

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

I said people who flavour the south. I have friends in the south who don’t support the violent struggle of dissident republicans.
Do you support murder to achieve a political aim?

The war is over Jeff. It fact it was over 20 years ago.

Instead of fighting old battles, why don't you join the rest of us in finding a way forward so that we have a shared future which ensures that conflict never breaks out again.

Whenever you are ready of course.

 

[SteveSC]

I havnt got a dog in this fight, but selective quoting does not help. You acknowledged yourself what he said.



You could argues the toss all night long how many were killed by who and why and when and how, but for the future of this thread, or your and @bigbadjeff being participants in it, I suggest neither of you do.

Honestly, i wasnt arguing about that. The fact that he denies he said he hates southern irish people because they are murderers or condone murderers despite him saying just that, that was my point. All he had to do was accept he may have upset people instead of fighting back and making it worse for himself and digging in with his "facts"

Everyone here knows what went on in the past in Ireland and if he wants to claim that it was one sided that is his prerogative.

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

Good example of the impending chaos which looks to be just around the corner and the lack of planning for it:

Why Northern Ireland hauliers fear Brexit chaos

Northern Ireland hauliers who service the island of Ireland fear they will be among the first to suffer if a hard Brexit takes place. They also claim that in its Brexit planning, Britain's Department of Transport has made no provision for a UK-EU land border on the island of Ireland.

Patrick Derry owns a freight transport business based in Co Armagh. He employs 150 people and Derry Transport Limited has an annual turnover of £12m. His clients include Tesco, Lidl, Dunnes, SuperValu, Asda and Sainsbury's. Around the clock his refrigerated trucks are collecting and delivering goods across the island of Ireland, Britain and mainland Europe. Patrick and Northern Ireland-based hauliers like him say they have a major problem.

After Brexit takes place and the UK leaves the European Union, vehicles crossing borders will require a permit, issued by the UK’s Department of Transport. According to Seamus Leheny, policy manager of the Northern Ireland branch of the Freight Transport Association, there is chaos looming. He claims that when the Department of Transport in London was devising its post-Brexit permits system, it classed journeys to the Republic of Ireland from Northern Ireland as "not journeys to the European Union". His assessment is that under the Department of Transport template, which does not class a trip into the Republic of Ireland as an EU journey, Northern Ireland hauliers can expect a total of 60 permits, each one linked to an individual vehicle, for a 12-month period. "We have 13,000 lorries currently crossing the Irish border in both directions daily. On one road, between Derry and Donegal, we have 800 trucks a day and that’s only on one minor road.

From his Armagh base, Patrick Derry is dispatching 70 trucks around the island of Ireland each day. His company alone would require the entire quota of Northern Ireland permits. "You’d have a lot of customers asking you what’s your plans for Brexit, what’s your contingency plans and what’s going to happen and could happen." Patrick explains the role of the permits this way: "You need basically to leave GB to enter Europe. You’ll need them to go from Newry into Dundalk - you are leaving GB to go into Europe and that’s what you will need the permit for. Otherwise you are illegal." He is worried about the situation. "Hopefully they will be able to get a deal done for the island of Ireland in its day-to-day business. "You would have thought that for the island of Ireland with its good, its bad and its woes, that the British government and what's left of Stormont would have had the idea that Northern Ireland, being of special status where we are right in the island with a European border, would have something in place at this stage."