peteblue
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It’s not baffling, it’s a man’s view, that you patently don’t understand....
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It’s not baffling, it’s a man’s view, that you patently don’t understand....
You’re right. I don’t understand his view
What’s the issue of course there is a threat of violence, it’s a very real threat, isn’t that the whole point of a backstop, to avoid it.
You said "you lot"
Implying that everyone or at least everyone here (Ireland) agrees with going back to violence.
Which is simply not true.
Like i said no one here wants to see violence but having lived on this land most of ours lives through the tension and violence it would not be surprising if a pocket of people decided to get violent if this all goes wrong.
That's not saying we want violence. Far from it.
Here is me thinking you are a smart man. People foreseeing something or using knowledge to surmise something does not mean they want violence.
peteblue
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Dear God. Do you have a brain. Yes Brexit started it. But who gives a crap whether the ROI trusts the U.K, certainly the EU don’t, and it doesn’t even register with the U.K. The ROI will be put back in their box by the EU or the ROI will be bankrupt due to no deal. Whatever sympathy you had from either the U.K. or the EU is disappearing at a rate of knots as the big money and politics comes into play. No one at the top gives a crap about a pain in the arse country the same size as south London.......Varadkar overplayed his hand and the EU know it......
peteblue
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Indeed. But the common threat is that it will be in NI. Now tbh I don’t think it will happen. In fact I believe that the U.K. spooks, security people, technology etc have moved on so far that whoever caused trouble would swiftly be taken away. It may be different in the ROI where they are still celebrating some 100 year old conflict.....
peteblue
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Then stop talking about it and get behind finding a solution.......
It’s amazing how well that works in reverse
Dear God. Do you have a brain. Yes Brexit started it. But who gives a crap whether the UK trusts the ROI certainly the EU don’t, and it doesn’t even register with the ROI. The UK will be put back in their box by the EU or the UK will be bankrupt due to no deal. Whatever sympathy you had from either the ROI or the EU is disappearing at a rate of knots as the big money and politics comes into play. No one at the top gives a crap about a pain in the arse country a fraction of the size of 741 million in the EU...May overplayed her hand and the EU know it......
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Apparently we are now "pain in the arse country" who no one gives a crap about. This despite the EU collectively stating today that they are still fully behind us.
Its probably best waiting until he sobers up and sleeps off his hangover before replying to his condescending garbage.
What a ridiculous rebuttal.
Firstly it's not up to me to come up with a solution and you know what area my knowledge is for which i have stated how it would be possible in the past.
Secondly and more importantly. It's not up to Ireland to come up with a solution. Even then it does seem the shambles you call a government are unwilling to listen to Ireland as are you as you have stated many times we are puppets to the EU and i bet that sentiment comes from your own government.
Even if the Ireland and/or the EU came up with a solution you would find a way to belittle it and insult them and say how much you hate the EU and maybe now Ireland (just the southern part)
May and her cronies can't even figure it out among themselves because the brexit crowd are so fractured and all over the place.
Why would there be violence in the ROI, the ROI army never got involved in the conflict. Armed forces were deployed by the British Army, The IRA and Loyalist paramilitaries, not the ROI.
That said, I’m not sure your well up on the on the bombings, paramilitary attacks and related activities in the south, they have been significant with much loss of life. I’m not sure if there was a return to violence that the ROI wouldn’t be seen as a legitimate target by certain sides as well as NI and UK main land.
I see a genuine threat to be honest, you only have to look at the previous two pages here.
Its hard to envisage how the security forces would cope. For a long period of time the paramilitary organizations in NI, were seen as the most advanced and innovative in the world, not that, that’s a good thing, but every paramilitary organization in the world looked to learn and implement the methods of NI paramilitaries particularly the P.IRA. In the years the Republican forces have stood down, there has been many non related terroist attacks on main land England unfortunately.
At the time of decommissioning it was said that that the IRA could replace the weapons and explosives decommissioned in a matter of days.
Again not that I’m advocating any of the above but expanding on my point about the very real threat.
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I don’t think the Backstop is specifically there to stop violence.
It is more to do with minimising any disruption caused by goods flowing from the six counties into the Republic and vice versa.
If there is a divergence in standards, this will cause very great hardship for northern Irish companies wanting to sell their goods across the border and indeed into the wider EU.
The agricultural industry in particular will be affected adversely.
The Backstop would see NI continue to adhere to EU health and safety standards.....effectively leaving the North in both the EU and the UK.
You would think that would please everyone in NI, especially considering they voted Remain by a greater percentage margin than Leave had in Engkan and indeed the prospect enjoys overwhelming support from the people, business and farming leaders and the trade unions.
Only one group of diehards are opposed to the Backstop and unfortunately they have May over a barrel and are pursuing a Kamikaze option.
They are also preventing an orderly Brexit for Great Britain and it really is a case of the tail wagging the Brexit dog lol
Don’t try and drag me to your level Jeff. You labelled both those from South of the border and those wishing for Irish unification as murderers. A disgraceful comment and the type of one that has cost lives over many years.
This is a thread about how the border has impacted on Brexit and your bile has no place in society never mind here in a sharing of views amongst fellow Blues.
Brexit and the threat of a return of a hard border has heightened fears and your comment is a good example to our non Irish members of a time that none of us want to be dragged back to again.
I think the only one that's stereotyping is yourself.As per my reply to Pete, there was wrong committed by all sides.
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
It’s amazing how well that works in reverse
Dear God. Do you have a brain. Yes Brexit started it. But who gives a crap whether the UK trusts the ROI certainly the EU don’t, and it doesn’t even register with the ROI. The UK will be put back in their box by the EU or the UK will be bankrupt due to no deal. Whatever sympathy you had from either the ROI or the EU is disappearing at a rate of knots as the big money and politics comes into play. No one at the top gives a crap about a pain in the arse country a fraction of the size of 741 million in the EU...May overplayed her hand and the EU know it......
When did the EU become 741 million, I must have missed the inclusion of Russia and Turkey.......
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