Current Affairs Irish Border and Brexit

[Armaghtoffee]

You know, the more I think about It, this whole Brexit madness, although instigated by Cameron, was brought about by Putin's men manipulating the Referendum.

And that it was a dry run for the big prize later in the mad year of 2016...placing his puppet in t' White House.

Putin has de-stabilised the USA, the EU and is in the process of completely banjaxing the UK.

All without firing a shot

You wouldn't read about it

Nothing would surprise me now Khal given the amount of stuff coming out re Trump’s camp’s contact with Russia and now the E.U. well and truly destabilised.

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

Then it’s a pity that Varadkar didn’t think about it at all. I accept that very little thought was given to any border issue prior to the vote, but Varadkar has had two and a half years to try and find a way working with the U.K. . But of course he chose not to and he tried to be clever and played politics with it, until it is now screwing up the chance of any deal, and will lead to ROI economic disaster. The U.K. will take a hit and many EU countries will take a hit, but we and NI will get through it. I fear for the ROI though. But I’m sure Varadkar has a cunning plan....

Oh really ? Here's his response today to your ridiculous accusations...

The Taoiseach has said that in the event of a no-deal Brexit the UK would have to accept full regulatory and customs alignment in Northern Ireland if it were to honour its obligations under the Good Friday Agreement. Speaking in Davos, Leo Varadkar also said that the UK could struggle to negotiate free trade deals elsewhere around the world if the Irish border question remained unresolved.

He said: "The United Kingdom would have a responsibility to abide by WTO rules and both the UK and Ireland would have responsibilities to honour the Good Friday Agreement and the peace process. So I think we would end up in a situation where EU and Ireland and the UK would have to come together, and in order to honour our commitment to the people of Ireland that there be no hard border, we would have to agree on full alignment on customs and regulations, so after a period of chaos we would perhaps end up where we are now, with a very similar deal. The United Kingdom in a no-deal scenario will face enormous difficulties. In a no-deal scenario Ireland will still be in the single market, and will still be part of all those trade deals which come with being part of Europe, the trade deal with Japan, the trade deal with Canada, the trade deal with Korea, the trade deal with Singapore. In a no-deal scenario, the UK won't have any trade deals with anyone, and I think it will be very difficult for them to conclude any trade deals with the question of the Irish border unresolved. Given we have a solution on the table already, let's ratify that."

Its bad enough you creating this crazy situation, but then to blame our government for not coming up with the solutions is beyond the pale.

 

[Harryflashman]

Oh really ? Here's his response today to your ridiculous accusations...

The Taoiseach has said that in the event of a no-deal Brexit the UK would have to accept full regulatory and customs alignment in Northern Ireland if it were to honour its obligations under the Good Friday Agreement. Speaking in Davos, Leo Varadkar also said that the UK could struggle to negotiate free trade deals elsewhere around the world if the Irish border question remained unresolved.

He said: "The United Kingdom would have a responsibility to abide by WTO rules and both the UK and Ireland would have responsibilities to honour the Good Friday Agreement and the peace process. So I think we would end up in a situation where EU and Ireland and the UK would have to come together, and in order to honour our commitment to the people of Ireland that there be no hard border, we would have to agree on full alignment on customs and regulations, so after a period of chaos we would perhaps end up where we are now, with a very similar deal. The United Kingdom in a no-deal scenario will face enormous difficulties. In a no-deal scenario Ireland will still be in the single market, and will still be part of all those trade deals which come with being part of Europe, the trade deal with Japan, the trade deal with Canada, the trade deal with Korea, the trade deal with Singapore. In a no-deal scenario, the UK won't have any trade deals with anyone, and I think it will be very difficult for them to conclude any trade deals with the question of the Irish border unresolved. Given we have a solution on the table already, let's ratify that."

Its bad enough you creating this crazy situation, but then to blame our government for not coming up with the solutions is beyond the pale.

I know it’s been raised repeatedly but Has anyone on the Brexit side in this thread dealt with the border implications of no deal and WTO MFN status ?

 

[Khalekan]

I know it’s been raised repeatedly but Has anyone on the Brexit side in this thread dealt with the border implications of no deal and WTO MFN status ?

Don’t be silly, Harry.

They can’t even answer the question as to why every country in the world goes to such great bother to conclude trade deals with each other when they could all just adopt WTO rules.

lol

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

I know it’s been raised repeatedly but Has anyone on the Brexit side in this thread dealt with the border implications of no deal and WTO MFN status ?

Course not. As has been said in the other thread, not only did they create the mess, they blame everyone else but themselves for not coming up with the answers to the problems they have created. Everything will be fine apparently.

 

[Neiler]

Then it’s a pity that Varadkar didn’t think about it at all. I accept that very little thought was given to any border issue prior to the vote, but Varadkar has had two and a half years to try and find a way working with the U.K. . But of course he chose not to and he tried to be clever and played politics with it, until it is now screwing up the chance of any deal, and will lead to ROI economic disaster. The U.K. will take a hit and many EU countries will take a hit, but we and NI will get through it. I fear for the ROI though. But I’m sure Varadkar has a cunning plan....

The Irish economy will defo be hit, but id be a bit more worried about the UK to be honest, the two are linked granted. The ROI has the fastest growing economy in the EU (at the moment). In fact im not sure a bit of cooling off would be a bad thing.

 

[Ruairi77]

Why?

because the UK caused the problem.

 

[peteblue]

Oh really ? Here's his response today to your ridiculous accusations...

The Taoiseach has said that in the event of a no-deal Brexit the UK would have to accept full regulatory and customs alignment in Northern Ireland if it were to honour its obligations under the Good Friday Agreement. Speaking in Davos, Leo Varadkar also said that the UK could struggle to negotiate free trade deals elsewhere around the world if the Irish border question remained unresolved.

He said: "The United Kingdom would have a responsibility to abide by WTO rules and both the UK and Ireland would have responsibilities to honour the Good Friday Agreement and the peace process. So I think we would end up in a situation where EU and Ireland and the UK would have to come together, and in order to honour our commitment to the people of Ireland that there be no hard border, we would have to agree on full alignment on customs and regulations, so after a period of chaos we would perhaps end up where we are now, with a very similar deal. The United Kingdom in a no-deal scenario will face enormous difficulties. In a no-deal scenario Ireland will still be in the single market, and will still be part of all those trade deals which come with being part of Europe, the trade deal with Japan, the trade deal with Canada, the trade deal with Korea, the trade deal with Singapore. In a no-deal scenario, the UK won't have any trade deals with anyone, and I think it will be very difficult for them to conclude any trade deals with the question of the Irish border unresolved. Given we have a solution on the table already, let's ratify that."

Its bad enough you creating this crazy situation, but then to blame our government for not coming up with the solutions is beyond the pale.

Sounds like he’s panicking tbh. Why’s he telling the U.K. how difficult it will be for us or what we must do. Why is he trying to convince people that the ROI will be fine, and still have trade deals and be in the EU, everyone knows that anyway. But what everyone else knows is that the ROI will be screwed. Why does he think that trade between the U.K. and Brazil would be difficult because of the border, seriously......

 

[peteblue]

because the UK caused the problem.

You win the prize for the most outstandingly childish yah boo answer so far........

 

[Ruairi77]

You win the prize for the most outstandingly childish yah boo answer so far........

ok, lets recap.

I said the onus was on the UK to find a solution,
you asked 'why?'
I said 'because the UK caused the problem'
You accuse me of being childish.

Is that about right?

 

[peteblue]

ok, lets recap.

I said the onus was on the UK to find a solution,
you asked 'why?'
I said 'because the UK caused the problem'
You accuse me of being childish.

Is that about right?

So you are saying that whoever causes a problem must find the solution, is that about right. So perhaps we could ask the IRA what their solution to terrorism is....

 

[Ruairi77]

So you are saying that whoever causes a problem must find the solution, is that about right. So perhaps we could ask the IRA what their solution to terrorism is....

They were party to the Good Friday Agreement.

 

[peteblue]

They were party to the Good Friday Agreement.

So even if a border reappears there will be no violence. Or do they only agree to things where they get their own way.....

 

[peteblue]

They were party to the Good Friday Agreement.

Also, they did not propose it. They couldn’t do it on their own. Two countries and other parties were involved. That’s how a solution comes together.....and that’s what’s needed now....

 

[Ruairi77]

So you are saying that whoever causes a problem must find the solution, is that about right. So perhaps we could ask the IRA what their solution to terrorism is....

I'm not saying they 'must' but I do believe they carry the burden of responsibility.
Unlike your IRA comparison where multiple parties/sides carried the burden of responsibility