Current Affairs Irish Border and Brexit

[Armaghtoffee]

Sounds like he’s panicking tbh. Why’s he telling the U.K. how difficult it will be for us or what we must do. Why is he trying to convince people that the ROI will be fine, and still have trade deals and be in the EU, everyone knows that anyway. But what everyone else knows is that the ROI will be screwed. Why does he think that trade between the U.K. and Brazil would be difficult because of the border, seriously......

Where you see panic I see a politician reassuring the people of their future within the EU no matter how the UK chooses to enact it’s Brexit.

And I think he is right re how the UK will face difficulties in forming future trade alliances in the event of a no deal. It will be a point of record that the UK will have failed to honour their commitment to a deal that their PM reached with the EU re the terms of their exit.

Add in UK willingness to jeapordise an international treaty in the form of the GFA and it will be a big flashing ‘Buyer Beware’ sign over London.

 

[Ruairi77]

Also, they did not propose it. They couldn’t do it on their own. Two countries and other parties were involved. That’s how a solution comes together.....and that’s what’s needed now....

Unlike the troubles, where the Republic had a constitutional claim to the north,
there's only one side responsible for this mess.
So where all sides should work on sorting the mess out, the onus is on the UK to find a solution.

 

[Ruairi77]

Where you see panic I see a politician reassuring the people of their future within the EU no matter how the UK chooses to enact it’s Brexit.

And I think he is right re how the UK will face difficulties in forming future trade alliances in the event of a no deal. It will be a point of record that the UK will have failed to honour their commitment to a deal that their PM reached with the EU re the terms of their exit.

Add in UK willingness to jeapordise an international treaty in the form of the GFA and it will be a big flashing ‘Buyer Beware’ sign over London.

add to that, the UK willingness to walk out on a raft of jointly negotiated trade deals.

 

[Khalekan]

You win the prize for the most outstandingly childish yah boo answer so far........

ok, lets recap.

I said the onus was on the UK to find a solution,
you asked 'why?'
I said 'because the UK caused the problem'
You accuse me of being childish.

Is that about right?

So you are saying that whoever causes a problem must find the solution, is that about right. So perhaps we could ask the IRA what their solution to terrorism is....

Jeepers, Pete.....that last comment of yours sure raises the bar on “childish posts”.

And that attempt at deflection shows that you have absolutely run out of things to say in favour of Brexit.

I suspect that, as the post Brexit dystopian reality slowly dawns, your commitment to the madcap idea is starting to wane.


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[Armaghtoffee]

So you are saying that whoever causes a problem must find the solution, is that about right. So perhaps we could ask the IRA what their solution to terrorism is....

Their solution was to abandon military actions and instruct their volunteers to devote their energies to politics. This of course was key to the GFA and the relative peace ever since which we are all rather precious about.

But you know all this.

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

So you are saying that whoever causes a problem must find the solution, is that about right. So perhaps we could ask the IRA what their solution to terrorism is....

That's the second time in the last few days you have tried to reopen a discussion about a conflict that ended 20 years ago which directly led to offensive ranting by another poster. For the record that organisation disbanded several years ago and its former members now pursue a political route in pursuit of their objectives.

You would be best advised to stick to the topic, i.e. the effect of Brexit on Ireland, instead of continually trying to reopen old wounds. The rest of us have moved on. Its about time the likes of you did as well.

 

[Neiler]

Unlike the troubles, where the Republic had a constitutional claim to the north,
there's only one side responsible for this mess.
So where all sides should work on sorting the mess out, the onus is on the UK to find a solution.

I wonder what the legal position would be if the good friday agreement changed, by that i mean would the articles and amendments to the Irish constitution be reversed to reclaim the North or would another referendum be needed, not that i think it would happen mind. It would certainly make the border question interesting.

 

[Armaghtoffee]

So even if a border reappears there will be no violence. Or do they only agree to things where they get their own way.....

Can I clarify which IRA you actually mean here Pete?

PIRA? ONH? CIRA? RIRA? NIRA?

Again as I’m sure you know, some never agreed to ceasefires, some never recognised the GFA and others took the political route.

In difficult times like this it is perhaps best to place our trust in the word of the head of the Police Service of Northern Ireland who has repeatedly warned of the threat of violence due to Brexit enhanced tensions. I’m no expert but I’m guessing he knows stuff.

 

[Ruairi77]

I wonder what the legal position would be if the good friday agreement changed, by that i mean would the articles and amendments to the Irish constitution be reversed to reclaim the North or would another referendum be needed, not that i think it would happen mind. It would certainly make the border question interesting.

I would imagine any change to the GFA would result in the first agreement being voided and the second (GFA 2.0) needing a referendum in Ireland.

 

[Khalekan]

That's the second time in the last few days you have tried to reopen a discussion about a conflict that ended 20 years ago which directly led to offensive ranting by another poster. For the record that organisation disbanded several years ago and its former members now pursue a political route in pursuit of their objectives.

You would be best advised to stick to the topic, i.e. the effect of Brexit on Ireland, instead of continually trying to reopen old wounds. The rest of us have moved on. Its about time the likes of you did as well.

Mark....he is only doing this because he can no longer defend the indefensible......the growing nightmare that is No Deal Brexit.

Hence he is trying to open a second front,

(if you’ll pardon the pun lol)

Farage was on TV last night and he sounded like a boy who ain’t liking the look of what he wished for

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

Mark....he is only doing this because he can no longer defend the indefensible......the growing nightmare that is No Deal Brexit.

Hence he is trying to open a second front,

(if you’ll pardon the pun lol)

Farage was on TV last night and he sounded like a boy who ain’t liking the look of what he wished for

I know what you mean. Comparing the GFA, when people from different sides came to an agreement to end a centuries old conflict with Brexit when one country took a unilateral decision to abandon an arrangement which has brought peace and prosperity to a whole continent for decades, smacks of total and utter desperation.

 

[peteblue]

That's the second time in the last few days you have tried to reopen a discussion about a conflict that ended 20 years ago which directly led to offensive ranting by another poster. For the record that organisation disbanded several years ago and its former members now pursue a political route in pursuit of their objectives.

You would be best advised to stick to the topic, i.e. the effect of Brexit on Ireland, instead of continually trying to reopen old wounds. The rest of us have moved on. Its about time the likes of you did as well.

I was addressing a question with a relevant example....

 

[peteblue]

Their solution was to abandon military actions and instruct their volunteers to devote their energies to politics. This of course was key to the GFA and the relative peace ever since which we are all rather precious about.

But you know all this.

And I also know that it required more than one side to come up with solutions, which was my point. Selective reading of posts in isolation don’t help.....

 

[peteblue]

Jeepers, Pete.....that last comment of yours sure raises the bar on “childish posts”.

And that attempt at deflection shows that you have absolutely run out of things to say in favour of Brexit.

I suspect that, as the post Brexit dystopian reality slowly dawns, your commitment to the madcap idea is starting to wane.


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Again, my point being that solutions require more than one party to work to identify and agree them....

 

[peteblue]

Unlike the troubles, where the Republic had a constitutional claim to the north,
there's only one side responsible for this mess.
So where all sides should work on sorting the mess out, the onus is on the UK to find a solution.

The Republic have no claim on the North. The south broke away from the U.K......