Current Affairs Irish Border and Brexit

[Khalekan]

Again, my point being that solutions require more than one party to work to identify and agree them....

Of course it does.

So long as the other party adheres to your position.

 

[peteblue]

Where you see panic I see a politician reassuring the people of their future within the EU no matter how the UK chooses to enact it’s Brexit.

And I think he is right re how the UK will face difficulties in forming future trade alliances in the event of a no deal. It will be a point of record that the UK will have failed to honour their commitment to a deal that their PM reached with the EU re the terms of their exit.

Add in UK willingness to jeapordise an international treaty in the form of the GFA and it will be a big flashing ‘Buyer Beware’ sign over London.

We don’t really care what he says. He is the leader of a small country that is about to find out what the big world of politics is all about.....he has already fallen foul of his mates in the EU regarding taxation rates and unbalanced playing fields. An unruly Brexit will destroy him....

 

[peteblue]

I'm not saying they 'must' but I do believe they carry the burden of responsibility.
Unlike your IRA comparison where multiple parties/sides carried the burden of responsibility

No mate. The answer lays in dialogue between all parties involved. Attempting to say ‘it’s your fault’ achieves nothing and will never succeed, and that was my point.....

 

[peteblue]

Of course it does.

So long as the other party adheres to your position.

Not at all. A solution requires give and take. So far the ROI and the EU just wish to take. But the ROI will shortly find out the ramifications........

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Blimey. Some utterly crackers posts going on in this thread. I’d just like to assure our Irish friends that not all of us british are self important blow-hards. Just approximately 52% of us or so

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

The Republic have no claim on the North. The south broke away from the U.K......

Jesus Mary and Joseph do they teach you history over there ?

The WHOLE country voted by a decisive majority in the 1918 GE to leave the UK. Your response was to ignore that democratic wish and partition the island, threatening violence if your 'settlement' was rejected.

And 100 years later you now bleat on about democracy.

Jesus actually wept.

 

[Ruairi77]

No mate. The answer lays in dialogue between all parties involved. Attempting to say ‘it’s your fault’ achieves nothing and will never succeed, and that was my point.....

I'm not saying 'it's your fault', I'm saying 'it's your choice'.
Of course there needs to be constructive dialogue between all parties but It's tricky when you (the UK) don't exactly know what you want.
There was an agreement but your government voted it down. Now the onus is on your government to figure out a solution and bring it to the table.
Sorry if this concept is too childish. Unlike you, I don't have a background in international government security logistics!!

 

[peteblue]

Jesus Mary and Joseph do they teach you history over there ?

The WHOLE country voted by a decisive majority in the 1918 GE to leave the UK. Your response was to ignore that democratic wish and partition the island, threatening violence if your 'settlement' was rejected.

And 100 years later you now bleat on about democracy.

Jesus actually wept.

There was the creation of an Irish Free State. Northern Ireland chose not to be part of it. Which bit do you not understand.....

 

[Armaghtoffee]

And I also know that it required more than one side to come up with solutions, which was my point. Selective reading of posts in isolation don’t help.....

I’m not selectively reading any posts, I’m directly answering the question you posed on a public forum.

The GFA precipitated both British and Irish paramilitaries to call a ceasefire and negotiate an agreed settlement.

 

[Ruairi77]

The Republic have no claim on the North. The south broke away from the U.K......

The republic had a constitutional claim to the north untill articles 2 and 3 were removed from the constitution as part of the GFA. You should know this if your posting in this thread.

 

[Ruairi77]

There was the creation of an Irish Free State. Northern Ireland chose not to be part of it. Which bit do you not understand.....

and untill the GFA, the Republic had a constitutional claim to the 6 counties. Simple stuff Pete.

 

[peteblue]

I'm not saying 'it's your fault', I'm saying 'it's your choice'.
Of course there needs to be constructive dialogue between all parties but It's tricky when you (the UK) don't exactly know what you want.
There was an agreement but your government voted it down. Now the onus is on your government to figure out a solution and bring it to the table.
Sorry if this concept is too childish. Unlike you, I don't have a background in international government security logistics!!

We know what we want. We wish to leave the EU. We wish to leave behind all the nonsense of the EU and trade with them just as we trade with others. We wish to regain our Independence and Sovereignty. Something I would assume the ROI would understand, though evidently not.

We wish for NI and the ROI to enjoy the benefits of an open border, on an island, but the EU will not allow it....

 

[Ruairi77]

There was the creation of an Irish Free State. Northern Ireland chose not to be part of it. Which bit do you not understand.....

Was there a referendum in the 6 counties prior to partition? I must have been mitching that day in school.

 

[Ruairi77]

We know what we want. We wish to leave the EU. We wish to leave behind all the nonsense of the EU and trade with them just as we trade with others. We wish to regain our Independence and Sovereignty. Something I would assume the ROI would understand, though evidently not.

We wish for NI and the ROI to enjoy the benefits of an open border, on an island, but the EU will not allow it....

well if you want all that, why dont you elect a PM to advocate for all that?

 

[peteblue]

Was there a referendum in the 6 counties prior to partition? I must have been mitching that day in school.

I’m sure you were mitching that day.....