Current Affairs Irish Border and Brexit

[Armaghtoffee]

No. I want the ROI to prosper, but this guy has chosen to try and drag NI into the ROI by stirring up the border and a backstop. He knows what he is doing, but so does everyone else. If NI wants to join the ROI, then we all wish them good luck and good fortune. But they are not, so Varadkar should be looking for the best deal for the ROI, which he is making a complete arse of.....

Pete, a pretty poor description of Nationalist politics and an ideal of which of 50% of the North aspire.

NI is an inconvenient truth for Britain that is now dancing around your breakfast tables as you jabber about taking back control.

The irony is, your history of control is now in your armchair pointing at you at laughing.

 

[Armaghtoffee]

Yes the vote to Leave was all encompassing......

But the Irish election wasn’t? We aren’t even talking ancient history here Pete!

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

Col Blimp seems to have had had one or two sherries too many. Again.

 

[Ruairi77]

A different debate....

oh, here's the bit you were out for.
Northern Ireland never 'chose' not to be part of the Free State.
After the Treaty, the Free State maintained a constitutional claim to Northern Ireland.
A referendum removing articles 2 and 3 of the constitution was overwhelmingly passed in order to ratify the GFA.
This passed both sides of the border wanted an end to the troubles and create a seamless island being facilitated by the EU common market.
Basicly, the common market provided a chance for peace and people both sides of the border took it.
You voted to end this, you didn't know and you didn't care but you did. And now you're in this thread moaning about Irish politicians and disrespecting our nations importance all because you're not getting what you want as easily as you'd like.
Read a little about Anglo Irish relations and have a bit of respect for the Irish state and maybe you'll afford yourself a better understanding of why this is such a delicate subject.

 

[peteblue]

Pete, a pretty poor description of Nationalist politics and an ideal of which of 50% of the North aspire.

NI is an inconvenient truth for Britain that is now dancing around your breakfast tables as you jabber about taking back control.

The irony is, your history of control is now in your armchair pointing at you at laughing.

Then what is the problem. NI can join the ROI. Mind you that may just cause some other problems from people who don’t want to be part of the ROI.....

 

[peteblue]

oh, here's the bit you were out for.
Northern Ireland never 'chose' not to be part of the Free State.
After the Treaty, the Free State maintained a constitutional claim to Northern Ireland.
A referendum removing articles 2 and 3 of the constitution was overwhelmingly passed in order to ratify the GFA.
This passed both sides of the border wanted an end to the troubles and create a seamless island being facilitated by the EU common market.
Basicly, the common market provided a chance for peace and people both sides of the border took it.
You voted to end this, you didn't know and you didn't care but you did. And now you're in this thread moaning about Irish politicians and disrespecting our nations importance all because you're not getting what you want as easily as you'd like.
Read a little about Anglo Irish relations and have a bit of respect for the Irish state and maybe you'll afford yourself a better understanding of why this is such a delicate subject.

Spain maintains a constitutional claim on Gibraltar. That has no basis in law either.....

 

[Ron Swanson]

If they choose to not be part of the U.K., then of course....that is democracy. But Scotland voted to remain part of the U.K. the U.K. voted to leave the EU, quite simple....

David Cameron claimed that the only way to protect Scotland’s EU membership was to reject independence. Better together campaigned on “EU membership only guaranteed with a No vote”.

The Scots are well within their rights to challenge Brexit on the grounds that they clearly voted to remain in the EU, and the threat of leaving the EU if independent also likely swayed the indyref.

 

[Ruairi77]

Spain maintains a constitutional claim on Gibraltar. That has no basis in law either.....

It does in Spanish law, Just as ours did in Irish law, hence the referendum to change the constitution.

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

There was the creation of an Irish Free State. Northern Ireland chose not to be part of it. Which bit do you not understand.....

It chose nothing, NI didn't exist. You chose to create that statelet. Which bit do you not understand.

 

[Armaghtoffee]

[QUOTE="peteblue, post: 6804802, member: 8392"]Then what is the problem. NI can join the ROI. Mind you that may just cause some other problems from people who don’t want to be part of the ROI.....[/QUOTE] You have had a mare Pete.

I’m born and raised in a conflict zone and I can’t see a respectable British way out bar NI remaining in the Customs Union.

Blame Varadkar all you like but London is caught by the balls by the Good Friday Agreement.

 

[peteblue]

oh, here's the bit you were out for.
Northern Ireland never 'chose' not to be part of the Free State.
After the Treaty, the Free State maintained a constitutional claim to Northern Ireland.
A referendum removing articles 2 and 3 of the constitution was overwhelmingly passed in order to ratify the GFA.
This passed both sides of the border wanted an end to the troubles and create a seamless island being facilitated by the EU common market.
Basicly, the common market provided a chance for peace and people both sides of the border took it.
You voted to end this, you didn't know and you didn't care but you did. And now you're in this thread moaning about Irish politicians and disrespecting our nations importance all because you're not getting what you want as easily as you'd like.
Read a little about Anglo Irish relations and have a bit of respect for the Irish state and maybe you'll afford yourself a better understanding of why this is such a delicate subject.

Anglo Irish relations consist of what ?. The U.K. mistakenly wanted to keep the ROI or Irish Free State within its control. That was just a matter of where the U.K. was at the time, a large Empire. The U.K. is not an Empire, we are just a small but important country. The ROI haven’t yet realised that we have moved on and don’t really give a crap about the ROI. NI however remains part of the U.K. and they and we wish for it to be treated as the rest of the U.K. Nationalists in NI wish to change that situation by fair means or foul and are routinely aided by the ROI who wish for a United Ireland. The ROI derives great benefit because of the CTA, an out of time agreement designed to keep them close to the U.K. But the ROI have this ‘we must be independent, that’s why we wish to belong to the EU’, which basically just transfers its sovereignty to Brussels, but that’s OK because it’s not London. The ROI only joined the EU because the U.K. did. They knew then that they would be dead outside of the UK’s trading area. It’s not quite so powerful anymore, but still big enough to give a major headache.....

 

[peteblue]

[QUOTE="peteblue, post: 6804802, member: 8392"]Then what is the problem. NI can join the ROI. Mind you that may just cause some other problems from people who don’t want to be part of the ROI.....

You have had a mare Pete.

I’m born and raised in a conflict zone and I can’t see a respectable British way out bar NI remaining in the Customs Union.

Blame Varadkar all you like but London is caught by the balls by the Good Friday Agreement.[/QUOTE]

Fine, then let’s see what happens.....

 

[peteblue]

It does in Spanish law, Just as ours did in Irish law, hence the referendum to change the constitution.

Of course, just make some internal law up and it becomes fact. Except that it doesn’t.....

 

[Armaghtoffee]

oh, here's the bit you were out for.
Northern Ireland never 'chose' not to be part of the Free State.
After the Treaty, the Free State maintained a constitutional claim to Northern Ireland.
A referendum removing articles 2 and 3 of the constitution was overwhelmingly passed in order to ratify the GFA.
This passed both sides of the border wanted an end to the troubles and create a seamless island being facilitated by the EU common market.
Basicly, the common market provided a chance for peace and people both sides of the border took it.
You voted to end this, you didn't know and you didn't care but you did. And now you're in this thread moaning about Irish politicians and disrespecting our nations importance all because you're not getting what you want as easily as you'd like.
Read a little about Anglo Irish relations and have a bit of respect for the Irish state and maybe you'll afford yourself a better understanding of why this is such a delicate subject.

#Projectfear

 

[peteblue]

David Cameron claimed that the only way to protect Scotland’s EU membership was to reject independence. Better together campaigned on “EU membership only guaranteed with a No vote”.

The Scots are well within their rights to challenge Brexit on the grounds that they clearly voted to remain in the EU, and the threat of leaving the EU if independent also likely swayed the indyref.

Fine. If they wish another vote and want to leave, who is stopping them. Certainly the English aren’t......we all wanted them to leave.....I look forward to the hard border between Scotland and the U.K.....