Current Affairs Irish Border and Brexit

[Armaghtoffee]

You have Fine, then let’s..

You do that Pete, sit back and watch and say it wasn’t us that caused the problems on the border we ripped Ireland with 98 years ago.

 

[peteblue]

You have had a mare Pete.

I’m born and raised in a conflict zone and I can’t see a respectable British way out bar NI remaining in the Customs Union.

Blame Varadkar all you like but London is caught by the balls by the Good Friday Agreement.

Fine, then let’s see what happens.....[/QUOTE]

I think someone is playing with my posts......

 

[Khalekan]

Not at all. A solution requires give and take. So far the ROI and the EU just wish to take. But the ROI will shortly find out the ramifications........

Pete, this is merit in what you say and no mistake.....in the first sentence.

But you then proceed to saw off the branch you are perched on.

Because you buy into the fiction that Northern Ireland is as ”British as Finchley”....to quote a previous Tory Prime Minister.

It isn’t.

And I would invite you to look at the electoral map of the province to see that point illustrated.

May and Barnier had concluded a splendid deal in December 2017.

A deal which recognised the extraordinary position of Northern Ireland and the Backstop was agreed.

If it had gone through Parliament you and your fellow Brexiteers would be looking forward to an amicable split on March 29th and NI would have enjoyed a unique status of being in both the UK and the EU.

Which would have suited the vast majority of people over there.

Enter the DUP.....and the rest is history.

You are an intelligent man, Pete.

You know as well as I do that NI needed a totally different Brexit to GB.

So stop blaming the Irish government for the current deadlock.

Stop blaming the EU.

The reason you are in this bind is not because of their intransigence.

It is because the DUP are doing what they do best......shouting “Never”, “Never” and “Never” again and again.

And because the Brexiteers have bought into the fiction and hitched their wagon to the “Ulster Says No” backwoodsmen you are not going to get the Brexit you want.

And if you keep on parroting the same erroneous nonsense then what you will get is the Brexit you deserve.

That’s if you get Brexit at all.

And you can thank the DUP for this.

 

[Armaghtoffee]

Fine, then let’s see what happens.....

I think someone is playing with my posts......[/QUOTE]
I think in my Brexit frenzy I ballsed that one.

Apologies Pete. Sentiments still stand though

 

[peteblue]

You do that Pete, sit back and watch and say it wasn’t us that caused the problems on the border we ripped Ireland with 98 years ago.

Of course it was a problem. But guess what, I wasn’t alive, and neither were you. I’m retired and even my dad hadn’t been born. Germany and Britain fought two world wars, Britain fought Japan, guess what, we all get on reasonably well. What is it with the Irish always going on about it. Get over yourselves, no one gives a crap.......

 

[SteveSC]

Jesus Mary and Joseph do they teach you history over there ?

The WHOLE country voted by a decisive majority in the 1918 GE to leave the UK. Your response was to ignore that democratic wish and partition the island, threatening violence if your 'settlement' was rejected.

And 100 years later you now bleat on about democracy.

Jesus actually wept.

the fact he sums it all up as simple as we "broke away"

This from a man who claims to have Irish heritage and is up to speed with Irish history and all of that

 

[peteblue]

Pete, this is merit in what you say and no mistake.....in the first sentence.

But you then proceed to saw off the branch you are perched on.

Because you buy into the fiction that Northern Ireland is as ”British as Finchley”....to quote a previous Tory Prime Minister.

It isn’t.

And I would invite you to look at the electoral map of the province to see that point illustrated.

May and Barnier had concluded a splendid deal in December 2017.

A deal which recognised the extraordinary position of Northern Ireland and the Backstop was agreed.

If it had gone through Parliament you and your fellow Brexiteers would be looking forward to an amicable split on March 29th and NI would have enjoyed a unique status of being in both the UK and the EU.

Which would have suited the vast majority of people over there.

Enter the DUP.....and the rest is history.

You are an intelligent man, Pete.

You know as well as I do that NI needed a totally different Brexit to GB.

So stop blaming the Irish government for the current deadlock.

Stop blaming the EU.

The reason you are in this bind is not because of their intransigence.

It is because the DUP are doing what they do best......shouting “Never”, “Never” and “Never” again and again.

And because the Brexiteers have bought into the fiction and hitched their wagon to the “Ulster Says No” backwoodsmen you are not going to get the Brexit you want.

And if you keep on parroting the same erroneous nonsense then what you will get is the Brexit you deserve.

That’s if you get Brexit at all.

And you can thank the DUP for this.

I have no truck with the DUP, nor any other politicians in NI. But the DUP correctly saw what Varadkar was doing, playing politics. They all are, the DUP and the ROI. The U.K. and EU are playing it too. It’s a disgrace in my opinion, but while NI is part of the U.K. we have no option than to support them......

 

[Armaghtoffee]

Of course it was a problem. But guess what, I wasn’t alive, and neither were you. I’m retired and even my dad hadn’t been born. Germany and Britain fought two world wars, Britain fought Japan, guess what, we all get on reasonably well. What is it with the Irish always going on about it. Get over yourselves, no one gives a crap.......

Pete, you underestimate the swell of unification sentiment swelled by Brexit.

Even before the vote, all border constituencies on both sides are Republican. Brexit is like petrol on a flame.

Get over ourselves means what exactly?

 

[SteveSC]

Anglo Irish relations consist of what ?. The U.K. mistakenly wanted to keep the ROI or Irish Free State within its control. That was just a matter of where the U.K. was at the time, a large Empire. The U.K. is not an Empire, we are just a small but important country. The ROI haven’t yet realised that we have moved on and don’t really give a crap about the ROI. NI however remains part of the U.K. and they and we wish for it to be treated as the rest of the U.K. Nationalists in NI wish to change that situation by fair means or foul and are routinely aided by the ROI who wish for a United Ireland. The ROI derives great benefit because of the CTA, an out of time agreement designed to keep them close to the U.K. But the ROI have this ‘we must be independent, that’s why we wish to belong to the EU’, which basically just transfers its sovereignty to Brussels, but that’s OK because it’s not London. The ROI only joined the EU because the U.K. did. They knew then that they would be dead outside of the UK’s trading area. It’s not quite so powerful anymore, but still big enough to give a major headache.....

And that my friend is why your government are in the bloody bind with the border to begin with and why this thread exists.

If this is the way you feel then your posts about you wanting to see Ireland to prosper and succeed are patronising like most of the stuff you type about Ireland.

 

[peteblue]

Pete, you underestimate the swell of unification sentiment swelled by Brexit.

Even before the vote, all border constituencies on both sides are Republican. Brexit is like petrol on a flame.

Get over ourselves means what exactly?

If you wish to unify, then do it. No one from the mainland is stopping you. However, there are enough people in NI who do not wish to unify in the way you do, who may cause a bit of trouble.....

 

[peteblue]

And that my friend is why your government are in the bloody bind with the border to begin with and why this thread exists.

If this is the way you feel then your posts about you wanting to see Ireland to prosper and succeed are patronising like most of the stuff you type about Ireland.

Don’t be silly. I’m talking about the U.K. not individuals.....

 

[Armaghtoffee]

If you wish to unify, then do it. No one from the mainland is stopping you. However, there are enough people in NI who do not wish to unify in the way you do, who may cause a bit of trouble.....

should threatening to ‘cause a bit of trouble’ be a reason to stop a Democratic wish?

You have been quite vocal on how this should be addressed.

 

[Emlynsqueakyvoice]

The Republic have no claim on the North. The south broke away from the U.K......

Typical squaddie ignorance.....

 

[peteblue]

Typical squaddie ignorance.....

Can you show me which piece of international law covers the ROI claim.....thank you in advance.....

 

[peteblue]

should threatening to ‘cause a bit of trouble’ be a reason to stop a Democratic wish?

You have been quite vocal on how this should be addressed.

Well it appears to be stopping the U.K. leaving the EU........