Holgate Racially Abused By Firmino - The Guardian

[Seathestars]

He has been ACCUSED of racist behaviour. As it stands, the response from everyone you named has absolutely been the correct one - to offer restraint and allow a thorough investigation to be conducted.

The response from many fans on both sides of the park has, by contrast, been quite vile. I really do not understand partisan 'defend everything' fans when it comes to issues like this.

I kind of agree with you, it is a horrible thing to be accused of, so I do believe that silence until the investigation is complete is the best option.
I also hope he never said anything nasty and that it was just a misunderstanding, but will people believe that. Someone's reputation will be tarnished I think.

 

[MACCA75]

Honestly think Holgate more than likely misheard what was said to him. Which is understandable in such an environment. Certainly doesn’t mean he’s a liar.

Just hope he’s got his head straight but i’m betting he doesn’t play on Sat.

 

[Bluewolf]

He has been ACCUSED of racist behaviour. As it stands, the response from everyone you named has absolutely been the correct one - to offer restraint and allow a thorough investigation to be conducted.

The response from many fans on both sides of the park has, by contrast, been quite vile. I really do not understand partisan 'defend everything' fans when it comes to issues like this.

My point that you are missing isn't that firmino is guilty but that this is being allowed to drift into obscurity, it's been 7 days and the FA have said nothing about anything. The fact that no one has said anything about it is very telling. 7 days is a long time in the public eye and everyone apart from liverpool and everton will have forgotten this by now. Thats how the FA want it.

If this was the other way round it wouldn't of been out of the media.

There has been zero support from official means towards mason holgate in any form that I have seen.

If firmino has said something racist then he need punishing and if not then holgate needs to be educated on what is or is not acceptable to be said on or off the pitch. Tbh I dont understand why footballers dont have to go on racism and LGBT awareness courses, see as how influential footballers are in the society.

 

[blueblue]

This is as important for Firmino as it is for Holgate as his reputation is at stake.
If, found guilty and given a long ban there is a good chance that it could force him from the English game.
I can understand his club supporting him, without condoning any wrongdoing and would expect our club to do the same.

Any investigation will need to be detailed and may take some time, but we have to live with that.

I think that Firmino will escape any punishment unless there is undeniable eveidence against him, but that is the way it should be. Proving a case such as this I imagine will be very difficult.

 

[Ron Swanson]

My point that you are missing isn't that firmino is guilty but that this is being allowed to drift into obscurity, it's been 7 days and the FA have said nothing about anything. The fact that no one has said anything about it is very telling. 7 days is a long time in the public eye and everyone apart from liverpool and everton will have forgotten this by now. Thats how the FA want it.

If this was the other way round it wouldn't of been out of the media.

There has been zero support from official means towards mason holgate in any form that I have seen.

If firmino has said something racist then he need punishing and if not then holgate needs to be educated on what is or is not acceptable to be said on or off the pitch. Tbh I dont understand why footballers dont have to go on racism and LGBT awareness courses, see as how influential footballers are in the society.

If Firmino said something racist he WILL be punished and there's no doubt of that. And if he didn't say it, Holgate will likely accept that he misheard him and shouldn't face any repercussions - if anything he should be lauded for reporting it to the ref before getting on with the game.

I think you're being a bit conspiratorial with your thinking. The FA will not and cannot sweep this under the carpet. No matter how long they leave it they will inevitably have to post their findings. In the days of 24hr football news, there is no way that this will not be picked up, whatever the verdict.

It's being discussed in football forums, podcasts and in the news on a daily basis - most sports columns are giving daily updates. Even the news of Firmino's contract extension, from what I've seen, has been punctuated by the charge hanging over him.

In terms of Holgate's twitter stuff. He should apologise and maybe offer to do some community/outreach work with LGBT groups. I don't think it's right for him to get any kind of punishment from the FA for it.

 

[Big Fat Sam]

Just hope he’s got his head straight but i’m betting he doesn’t play on Sat.

Sweet, can't wait.

 

[Ron Swanson]

I kind of agree with you, it is a horrible thing to be accused of, so I do believe that silence until the investigation is complete is the best option.
I also hope he never said anything nasty and that it was just a misunderstanding, but will people believe that. Someone's reputation will be tarnished I think.

Whether found guilty or not, Firmino will be labelled a racist from here on in on the terraces.

 

[evertonarntwe]

Both should stop being fannies and get on with it

Firmino got a little shove and went mad, should stop being a girl and get on with it

and Holgate miss heard something and complained and should have just gotten on with it aswell ( there is just absolutely no way firminho has said anything remotely racist before you start telling me im condoning it or whatever )

 

[mightymoyes]

Both should stop being fannies and get on with it

Firmino got a little shove and went mad, should stop being a girl and get on with it

and Holgate miss heard something and complained and should have just gotten on with it aswell ( there is just absolutely no way firminho has said anything remotely racist before you start telling me im condoning it or whatever )

how the feck do you know?

 

[PITA]

haha

Let me try my hand at being delusional

"Firmino knew exactly what he was doing. Deliberately falling over the barricade to harm Holgate's reputation and trigger a race war. What would have happened if Brazil had retaliated with economic embargo? Ref has a duty to keep world peace and failed."
Do I sound like one of them now?

Compared to a RS you sound remarkably normal.

 

[Barnfred 55]

It's not really.

Assuming a player, from a team you support, has to have been racially abused, to push a player in to advertising boards is naive.

Doesn't mean it didn't happen but no lip readers have backed it up. Even if it did happen, and I'm not saying it didn't, there's no proof and without proof you should assume innocence.

What are you on about? Have you even seen the incident?

 

[Bungle]

Both should stop being fannies and get on with it

Firmino got a little shove and went mad, should stop being a girl and get on with it

and Holgate miss heard something and complained and should have just gotten on with it aswell ( there is just absolutely no way firminho has said anything remotely racist before you start telling me im condoning it or whatever )

Could you ring the FA and let them know they need to close the case then please mate.

If they ask for evidence just tell them "Cos y'know" and that should be alright.

To suggest that someone who thinks he's been racially abused should stop being a fanny and get on with it suggests that there's still a lot of work to be done by various campaign groups to get the message to sink in. I'm not for one second suggesting you're a racist, but your post certainly suggests you have a massive lack of understanding of these sorts of issues.

 

[PITA]

IMHO why would Holgate suggest this knowing all the technology that might be brought into play to either confirm or refute his allegation. Did he know the camera angle would block the view? Or know the referee couldn't hear it? I think from his reaction him either heard something or thought he did.
It'll come down to he said she said and the FA will find case not proven.
Apologies if this had already been posted in some form but just too many pages.

What is this obsession with people saying 'too many pages'?
If you don't like this thread then others are available.

 

[jaycee]

Amazing how in less than a week Holgate has been accused of lying to save getting booked,misheard what was said,while accused in daily rags of GBH,while Firmino has been cleared by lip readers,had no dort of comeback and cant be racist because hes Brazilian

 

[matty1878]

Both should stop being fannies and get on with it

Firmino got a little shove and went mad, should stop being a girl and get on with it

and Holgate miss heard something and complained and should have just gotten on with it aswell ( there is just absolutely no way firminho has said anything remotely racist before you start telling me im condoning it or whatever )

What’s my future mate? You can’t know anything only them two do.