Farhad Moshiri: Ronald Koeman Statement

[Steve Wigan]

...we allowed 10 men to boss us in a game of football for a whole half of a game we were one goal up in. They were there to be dispatched by a couple of goals at least.

Have to disagree Dave, in this instance. City are an exceptional side and even with the handicap of being a man down,they had loads of talent on the pitch compared with our team full(then!) of potential rather than too much mature talent, in the context of the Prem. We are still the only team this season to draw with City,I think, and they have beaten some so called 'big' sides.
That is not being defeatist or throwing in the towel,it is being realistic. Realism goes out of the window sometimes(Leicester being champs) but most of the time there is a good reason why the top five or six are the top five or six....they have by far the best players. Its not about lack of ambition either......no one spends 140 million without ambition. I don't know whether RK will succeed at Everton...it depends how success is measured,but he has a fight on his hands and will go if the failures continue.
If you think that we should have despatched City by a couple of goals at least, your way of thinking in that respect will lead to many disappointments over the season. My feeling is that the City result was a 'good draw', but since then we have been terrible,and that's down to the players and the coach. If things are no better by Christmas(and I think they will be) then Moshiri should/will change things. Even if his eye is mainly on subsequent profits financially, the bedrock of financial success will be largely success on the pitch.

 

[blue61]

Gone right off Farhad I have.

He's not the sugar daddy I was hoping for.

Me too, although I'm more concerned that I find myself increasingly agreeing with @davek.

 

[Khalekan]

Moshiri must have been inspired by the RAWK Alternative League Table.

Has an idea in his head about what the "par" result from certain games are.

Marks down every game, both home and away, against the Untouchable Six as defeats.

The odd draw and victory are birdies and eagles.

A win at The Pit is a Hole in One.

Defeat at home to Burnley is a double bogey

 

[davek]

Have to disagree Dave, in this instance. City are an exceptional side and even with the handicap of being a man down,they had loads of talent on the pitch compared with our team full(then!) of potential rather than too much mature talent, in the context of the Prem. We are still the only team this season to draw with City,I think, and they have beaten some so called 'big' sides.
That is not being defeatist or throwing in the towel,it is being realistic. Realism goes out of the window sometimes(Leicester being champs) but most of the time there is a good reason why the top five or six are the top five or six....they have by far the best players. Its not about lack of ambition either......no one spends 140 million without ambition. I don't know whether RK will succeed at Everton...it depends how success is measured,but he has a fight on his hands and will go if the failures continue.
If you think that we should have despatched City by a couple of goals at least, your way of thinking in that respect will lead to many disappointments over the season. My feeling is that the City result was a 'good draw', but since then we have been terrible,and that's down to the players and the coach. If things are no better by Christmas(and I think they will be) then Moshiri should/will change things. Even if his eye is mainly on subsequent profits financially, the bedrock of financial success will be largely success on the pitch.

City were a rabble going into HT. They were behind and angry and not playing well at all. The 'game management' from our dugout for the 2nd half seemed to be to run down the clock and slow down play a lot and win cheap free kicks. It allowed City to regroup and launch an offensive game. It was a great opportunity and one we spurned.

It's ok Moshiri saying these games aren't ones we can expect to win. Actually, when the game is in motion you can see just how a team can impose themselves under certain circumstances - fortuitous or otherwise - on any other PL club. He reveals not only his lack of ambition in saying what he did but also his cluelessness about the game itself in not allowing for us to get more from those matches as they unfold. He presumably must look at what Burnley have done and think Dyche had a magic want to get points against the elite clubs?

 

[vagant59]

You're right mate, we were absolutely muck in the 80's weren't we?

You were obviously not around in the early 80's

 

[Gladystweet]

You were obviously not around in the early 80's

I'm nearly 48 lad. Have another go...

 

[Steve Wigan]

City were a rabble going into HT. They were behind and angry and not playing well at all. The 'game management' from our dugout for the 2nd half seemed to be to run down the clock and slow down play a lot and win cheap free kicks. It allowed City to regroup and launch an offensive game. It was a great opportunity and one we spurned.

It's ok Moshiri saying these games aren't ones we can expect to win. Actually, when the game is in motion you can see just how a team can impose themselves under certain circumstances - fortuitous or otherwise - on any other PL club. He reveals not only his lack of ambition in saying what he did but also his cluelessness about the game itself in not allowing for us to get more from those matches as they unfold. He presumably must look at what Burnley have done and think Dyche had a magic want to get points against the elite clubs?

So Dave,what was the reason Chelsea lost to City? Just because Dyche is not at a fashionable club does not mean he can't organise a team of Premier League footballers into a reasonable playing unit. Possibly he's made a success of it simply because he does not have any or many massive egos to deal with, and has created the right spirit.Citys 'comeback' against us was 'spirited', and in fact that's a word that could be used to describe all of their performances this season. RK has not instilled the same spirit into Everton,yet although it may come. That's a pretty big 'may' actually. We will get our mojo back, I'm sure, but it may not be with RK at the helm, or even with all the present first choice players.
Nice to see you back Dave, always worth a chat.

 

[ToffeeDan]

OK I accept that beating the top sides is a big ask - especially away and Spurs have bagged 28 in 7 away wins. So this is the problem: If, as Moshiri said these were "expected" results Why the Heck can't we give it a good go? It's not as though losing is a big deal and - let's say we'd lost 2-1 at Chelsea or United we'd have died trying. But - we just don't have the balls to do that. And THAT is what hurts.

 

[Khalekan]

OK I accept that beating the top sides is a big ask - especially away and Spurs have bagged 28 in 7 away wins. So this is the problem: If, as Moshiri said these were "expected" results Why the Heck can't we give it a good go? It's not as though losing is a big deal and - let's say we'd lost 2-1 at Chelsea or United we'd have died trying. But - we just don't have the balls to do that. And THAT is what hurts.

Nail on head, Dan.

If you believe you have no chance if winning then go the heck out and gave a go.

You have nowt to lose.

 

[Osamabindiesel]

Nail on head, Dan.

If you believe you have no chance if winning then go the heck out and gave a go.

You have nowt to lose.

Especially when our goal differential is downright embarrassing right now

 

[PITA]

It’s not that. But you hope to.

Obviously there’s conditions to that. Every time. Just as there’s conditions for the games you do expect to win.

Ijjy, I think Bren knows that but he's just trying to be cool (as ever).

 

[PITA]

Expected loss.....so should we not bother buying tickets to games in that catagory, Moshi la??

Every category, it would seem.

 

[PITA]

He is never going to wash the dirty laundry in public. The show of support is what i would have expected. There are obviously major concerns and it is a certainty that conversations will have taken place (or will imminently take place) about things needing to improve very quickly. If they dont improve and he needs to change things, i doubt he would even bat an eyelid about doing it. He is a billionaire businessman and it is part of his genes to be ruthless and without heart when it comes to business and making/losing money.

Problem is, judging by some of his comments to date, that we might have just found one of the very few of these that is as thick as.

 

[PITA]

They could mark the " expected to lose " games on the fixture list and adjust the price of tickets accordingly

* every game for the foreseeable

It's a bit odd that the 'expect to lose' games are the most expensive. When we pay more and have a worse experience the Mosh makes more.

 

[PITA]

So surely we shouldn't expect a rallying call against Arsenal or even worse Liverpool. Now we know we are not expected to win these games then there is no point in our usual media soundbytes of how we could actually win a derby.

You're a very funny man. Your avatar is very apt.