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I'm gutted that the majority in this case, is composed mainly of illiterate, uneducated, sun-reading gimps like yourself. I'll vault you in 12 months time you utter mutant when this country is on it's arse.

This is what happens. When the village idiots come out ..EU Referendum should never have been. Voted on

 

[Joey66]

I'm gutted that the majority in this case, is composed mainly of illiterate, uneducated, sun-reading gimps like yourself. I'll vault you in 12 months time you utter mutant when this country is on it's arse.

You can lead the diplomatic team when we have negotiations with th EU!lol

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

A truly appalling decision to ever let the public vote on this

Missed this earlier...What happened to democracy?

Y'know? The very same 'democracy' the EU supposedly afforded us?

Oh, that's right...

'kinell.

And STILL you wonder why your side lost? And you wonder who the 'fascists' are (Yes, I said the 'f' word first)

Back to yer sixth form debates, lad...

I genuinely have yet to see one of your points that can be backed up with facts

Here's the only FACT that matters - your side lost. Y'know? The same as when Everton win a match, when under the cosh for 90 mins?

The whistle's gone, mate.

Deal with it.

I understand some people won't listen to reason, all I'm saying is 'you're not so bright' doesn't progress things.

So I can be called a 'nutter' - without reproach - before I reply (almost) in kind, then? There's a pattern in all of these types of threads,

You' and the rest of the moderation team'd all would do well to notice it, instead of waiting for it to get to that stage.

I gave deadsoft the clue, mate, and he only seen the side that he wanted to see.

Oh, and I'm not playing the victim, I'm after a level playing field here...There's a 'blame game' going on, and as soon as you explain your reason(s) they'll find a way to bring racialism into it, in order to try to score points. It's desperation on a grandiose scale.

It's not on; and while it continues, I should be allowed to defend my stance by attacking theirs - they do it.

It's not even a discussion - the EU dictate the terms of leaving in full. We have no input in the matter.

So much for the 'democracy-loving EU'...

What a load of rubbish the above is.

It is an absolute DISGRACE that you say that pensioners shouldn't be allowed to vote. Is that because they have more worldly-wide knowledge and experience than you? Is it because they can actually think the complex issues through to a sensible conclusion? Is it because they are more intelligent than you? Is it because they can actually think for themselves, and not be led, child-like, into believing all the scary nonsense that the likes of Cameron, Osborne, and all the so-called financial experts put out? Put out in their own financial self-interest, not for the interests of the nation.

"...The majority of logical people voted to remain..." This is a stupid (and I'm being kind here when I use that word) thing to say. Let me explain why. Every single thing than each individual does in this world, is connected to something that has immediately gone before. There is therefore a logical progression to everything, and everything is linked. Ergo, illogical is a redundant term. Totally. All voters brought to bear their LOGICAL views when arriving at a decision on which way to vote, or whether to vote at all. For you to claim that the majority of logical people voted to remain is therefore a premise that does not hold water. It is 100% flawed reasoning. It shows a basic lack of understanding of the legal term 'He who asserts must prove'. Give me your proof. Please do. I awiat your evidence...

Unfortunately, what you posted is symptomatic of the arrogant, superior, attitude of so many of the remain voters, who are now acting like a bear with a sore ar*e because they came second in a two-horse race.

*Thunderous, rapturing applause* (From a 45 y.o. 'youngster') Well said, sir.

Honestly, sometimes it's like trying to tell a teenager what's what...But we don't know what this new app does, and we don't take much interest in who simon cowell's palming off as the next beatles...

I never lived through a world war, but I've heard how hard it must've been...And people are whining about this alleged 'hardship' we're supposedly gonna suffer?

Ffs, most of these people want counselling if they forget their packed lunch these days. It's a miracle we ever survived to even get to this stage in our history...

There are always bad employers, more need to be done to crack down on them. This has been a failure of this government and the previoud one.

But the EU gave us all those worker's rights that we've now lost...They were gonna crack down on all that business....

 

[Yid4life]

All getting a bit lively.....

 

[Groucho]

So I can be called a 'nutter' - without reproach - before I reply (almost) in kind, then? There's a pattern in all of these types of threads,

No you should not be called a nutter either.

I never said you should be.

And yes there's a pattern - this is why we dislike political threads. They rarely end in amiable ways.

Perhaps if everyone wound their necks in, things wouldn't come to such heads.

I asked you not to call someone 'not too bright' yet rather than let it go, you choose to then have a pop at the admin team. I was not mean in the manner in which I replied to you, so I'm not sure why you felt that was necessary.

This issue is not up for debate, simply speak to each other more nicely folks.

 

[Neiler]

He'll notice when inflation rises, interest rates go up, GDP falls as external investment dries up and unemployment rises. It'll dawn on him at that point that he's monumentally cocked up

This basically sums it all up for the real economy.

 

[Yid4life]

I keep seeing Geriatrics (like me I suppose) bring blamed for the Leave win. If the 19% of 18-24 yr (circa 1mn) olds that couldn't be bothered to vote had made the effort there may have been a different outcome.

Remain should perhaps be directing their accusations in a different direction.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

After education and occupation, the share of people not holding a passport was the next most strongly correlated characteristic with the Leave vote.

http://blogs.ft.com/ftdata/2016/06/24/brexit-demographic-divide-eu-referendum-results/

 

[anjelikaferrett]

just a point a family member of mine pointed out. It's the first time everybody's vote counted ,even if the result in your area went against your wishes , it still added to the final result.

Which is why people using it as a protest, which has been suggested, is unbelievably stupid!

 

[toffee matt]

Not doomed. Basically here are the two options.

The first is to become like Norway, which is a member of the European Economic Area, in return for which it is required to contribute to the EU’s budget and allow the free movement of people. The second is to opt out entirely, trading with the EU under the rules of the World Trade Organisation like America, China or any other country.

Option two will do a lot of damage to the economy, there is really no logical argument going around against this. But option one will require free movement. Basing their campaign around anti immigration makes it quite hard to choose option one now though.

Vote Leave based their campaign around cutting immigration and "taking back control"

The Norway option is the best but it leaves us with less democratic input then we currently have and the same levels of immigration. I can't see how you sell it to the public.

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

No you should not be called a nutter either.

I never said you should be.

And yes there's a pattern - this is why we dislike political threads. They rarely end in amiable ways.

Perhaps if everyone wound their necks in, things wouldn't come to such heads.

I asked you not to call someone 'not too bright' yet rather than let it go, you choose to then have a pop at the admin team. I was not mean in the manner in which I replied to you, so I'm not sure why you felt that was necessary.

This issue is not up for debate, simply speak to each other more nicely folks.

Weren't having a pop at the admin team, Grouch...'twas a heads up. People take things a bit too personally - me included.

I asked to be banned from the last thread because I seen the direction where it was headed...Not through holding my views, but because my views were wilfully being twisted by people who had not much else to try to persuade me otherwise; but chose to make it personal.

I shall now dimiss meself from the thread, rather than ask for a ban. That way, I can 'like' threads that I like.

Apologies if the moderation team have taken offence - none was intended.

 

[Darth Vader]

Not doomed. Basically here are the two options.

The first is to become like Norway, which is a member of the European Economic Area, in return for which it is required to contribute to the EU’s budget and allow the free movement of people. The second is to opt out entirely, trading with the EU under the rules of the World Trade Organisation like America, China or any other country.

Option two will do a lot of damage to the economy, there is really no logical argument going around against this. But option one will require free movement. Basing their campaign around anti immigration makes it quite hard to choose option one now though.

So why can't we trade like China and America

 

[Seanjd]

The amount of name calling going on between those who votes remain and those who voted leave on here is mad.

 

[bring the ghost on]

So much for the 'democracy-loving EU'...

Not sure if this is directed at anyone in particular, but have any Leave voters actually argued that the EU is good for democracy? I think most have argued that it is flawed, but remaining is the better of the two options (mainly for economic, social and international reasons).

Personally, I think pure democracy is overrated, you end up with far too many populist demagogues in positions of power. I'm not advocating a dictatorship, but I can't think of any EU law which I think is poorly considered or ill-advised, and that is because professionals with the relevant skills are put into the positions of power. It's a bit like the House of Lords in our country, people rail against it because it is undemocratic, but largely it has very knowledgable lords who curb the excesses of the populist, reactionary MPs.

 

[Seanjd]

Not sure if this is directed at anyone in particular, but have any Leave voters actually argued that the EU is good for democracy? I think most have argued that it is flawed, but remaining is the better of the two options (mainly for economic, social and international reasons).

Personally, I think pure democracy is overrated, you end up with far too many populist demagogues in positions of power. I'm not advocating a dictatorship, but I can't think of any EU law which I think is poorly considered or ill-advised, and that is because professionals with the relevant skills are put into the positions of power. It's a bit like the House of Lords in our country, people rail against it because it is undemocratic, but largely it has very knowledgable lords who curb the excesses of the populist, reactionary MPs.

Well said