Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Toffeelover]

So a million people signed for a new referendum.

Wonder if they will go ahead with it? I'd actually argue with thst level of support they should consider it as the vote was so close and everyone hold their hands up and say we didn't approach this in the right way and actually tell the facts rather than to scare people.

If the vote came back leave again then at least they tried. Right now they are leaving the EU based on misinformation and scare mongering. It is a joke actually.

I mean my vote may change in the future if the facts are laid out to me and I agree with them. I don't know the details that I should so I'm behind my leave vote instead .

But would the remain camp have agreed to a rerun if the positions had been reversed, I think not.

 

[Toffeelover]

I've never been accused of being a scaremonger nor in the same camp as Cameron mate lol

Of course Europe will still want to sell us their goods, but that's of no great interest to us. Whether we can achieve the same export terms as previously for our goods though is a very different matter and is up for discussion for sure.

My point is that investment in the UK and into the UK is going to fall sharply in coming months. As a result the economy will slow further, tax revenues fall and we enter another cycle of public spending cuts. That is the inevitable and immediate consequence of leaving the EU without knowing the terms we will trade on in future years.

What about our import terms on the EU, two can play at that game.

Reading your post it is clear where your cross went. So please tell us what has the EU done for us, What benefits have we got out of it but most importantly what could we expect in the next 5, 10, 15 years of membership???

Bearing in mind we are the second largest contributor to EU funds, did you know which country receives most from the EU? - Poland.

 

[DualityNSNO]

I like how people are claiming these UK billions in exports will continue, when a trade deal is far from proposed and no one knows if the EU won't be quite 'hostile' towards the UK.

Imagine billions. But heavily taxed, both for exports and imports.

Also imagine actually shooting yourself in the foot and having to work in the factories/warehouses etc instead of all those Polish/Bulgarian/Romanian/etc lowlifes though? I mean, you wanted them out/less of them, yeah? Any takers for the 'crap jobs' they have? Not to mention many companies will probably just leave the UK - as it happened with several big names when the Scottish referendum was on up here, which will probably boost the EU if anything.

And goodbye to free education, free and cheap travel and holidays, and all of those small things. As a side note many tourist destinations aren't taking GBP as of yesterday lol
A leave vote just because "THEY TUK AR JAWBS"
Fantastic show of nonsense and xenophobia UK. I hope it doesn't end that badly for the next generation.

 

[Joey66]

Figures distorted by only a 72% turnout.

Referendums should be a stipulated minimum of 95% if not a full 100% turnout in my opinion.

52% of 72% of 46,504,000 is not a majority.
It is a majority of those that cast a vote, but not a majority of the full electorate.

The rules need to stipulate that any national referendum and even the General Election needs to be as I suggest above.

Someone from darn unda can no doubt correct me, but I seem to recall hearing that it's actually an offence in Australia not to vote ?

It's compulsory in Austrailia to vote, and spoil a ballot paper you get fined, it would also show how many legal people we have here to on population control perhaps that's why they enforce it?
Surely in this day and age your NI number it could be done online? After all you can register to vote online?
Voting in a booth with a pencil in the 21st century is old hat the cost too etc

 

[ste d' indica]

But would the remain camp have agreed to a rerun if the positions had been reversed, I think not.

Farage did say he would demand one though.

 

[DualityNSNO]

It's compulsory in Austrailia to vote, and spoil a ballot paper you get fined, it would also show how many legal people we have here to on population control perhaps that's why they enforce it?
Surely in this day and age your NI number it could be done online? After all you can register to vote online?
Voting in a booth with a pencil in the 21st century is old hat the cost too etc

Online votes can be falsified/faked/hacked extremely easy though.

 

[Toffeelover]

A majority made up with a large portion of pensioners who shouldn't even be allowed to drive never mind decide an entire nations future.

The majority of logical people voted to remain.

So at what age should driving license be withdrawn? and the right to vote? Let us be clear from your statement the majority of pensioners are illogical people, correct?

Have I no right to consider my future as a citizen of this country? I have contributed all my life and what if I have at least another 25 years to live?

Do you have no feeling to your parents, grandparents all of whom are probably alive?

 

[AndyC]

I cringe at the whole vote demographic debate.

A vote is a vote. No vote is more important, or relevant than any other.

All this "the old voted out, the young voted in" - maybe.

But the same 'polls' are about as reliable as me doing a match report on the front page.

The 'polls' in the general election were well off - the polls in the EU ref was again - well off.

The 'poll' in this very thread, is, well off.

There's no way anyone will ever know for certain what demographic, whether age, gender or sexuality voted for.

I'll do them mate

 

[Toffeelover]

There's the flaw in your argument. There AREN'T any other nations in the same boat as us.

Norway and Switzerland are net exporters to the EU; we are net importers FROM the EU.

We contribute 12.5% (gross) of the entire budget of the EU. When you factor in EU spending in each member state in order to identify the biggest net contributors, the percentage we contribute GROWS. Only Germany pays in more (net) than we do.

Financially the EU as an organisation is dependent on us to such a degree that it may well not be able to continue existing if we leave. Additionally, large numbers of large European corporations make a large chunk of their profits in the UK. Therefore we hold a far stronger negotiation position than Norway or Switzerland did when they negotiated their terms - the EU won't be pushing for anything, they'll actually be giving us an awful lot of what we ask for.

There is talk that the EU will have to cut spending by 10% and Germany will have to pay more in, let us see how that goes down.

 

[DualityNSNO]

There is talk that the EU will have to cut spending by 10% and Germany will have to pay more in, let us see how that goes down.

Hahaha cuz Germany are probably crapping their pants because they'd have to pay a bit more lol

 

[Lee Smith]

Figures distorted by only a 72% turnout.

Referendums should be a stipulated minimum of 95% if not a full 100% turnout in my opinion.

52% of 72% of 46,504,000 is not a majority.
It is a majority of those that cast a vote, but not a majority of the full electorate.

The rules need to stipulate that any national referendum and even the General Election needs to be as I suggest above.

Someone from darn unda can no doubt correct me, but I seem to recall hearing that it's actually an offence in Australia not to vote ?

You could get a job in politics with spin like that mate lol

 

[anjelikaferrett]

I like how people are claiming these UK billions in exports will continue, when a trade deal is far from proposed and no one knows if the EU won't be quite 'hostile' towards the UK.

Imagine billions. But heavily taxed, both for exports and imports.

Also imagine actually shooting yourself in the foot and having to work in the factories/warehouses etc instead of all those Polish/Bulgarian/Romanian/etc lowlifes though? I mean, you wanted them out/less of them, yeah? Any takers for the 'crap jobs' they have? Not to mention many companies will probably just leave the UK - as it happened with several big names when the Scottish referendum was on up here, which will probably boost the EU if anything.

And goodbye to free education, free and cheap travel and holidays, and all of those small things. As a side note many tourist destinations aren't taking GBP as of yesterday lol
A leave vote just because "THEY TUK AR JAWBS"
Fantastic show of nonsense and xenophobia UK. I hope it doesn't end that badly for the next generation.

Schrodinger's Immigrant: stealing our jobs and simultaneously claiming our benefits

In my job, I do a lot of work with care home workers, all paid minimum wage, all with rubbish employment conditions, all working long hours, most of them doing their best trying to give their elderly clients a bit of dignity. nearly all are migrants. I've seen one sacked for saying to an old lady that she should try and eat something else before she had cake. He was sacked because he had refused to give her cake even though credible witnesses heard him say "have a sandwich before you have cake". Another was sacked for calling a resident a bitch Not pleasant I agree but the resident with dementia had just punched, kicked and bitten her. I forecast a crisis in care home employment.

 

[toffee matt]

What about our import terms on the EU, two can play at that game.

Reading your post it is clear where your cross went. So please tell us what has the EU done for us, What benefits have we got out of it but most importantly what could we expect in the next 5, 10, 15 years of membership???

Bearing in mind we are the second largest contributor to EU funds, did you know which country receives most from the EU? - Poland.

Access to the single market has probably been the most important factor for attracting foreign investment in the UK and driving growth in the UK.

It's hard to see us getting a trade deal any better than what we've just voted out of

 

[Toffeelover]

Schrodinger's Immigrant: stealing our jobs and simultaneously claiming our benefits

In my job, I do a lot of work with care home workers, all paid minimum wage, all with rubbish employment conditions, all working long hours, most of them doing their best trying to give their elderly clients a bit of dignity. nearly all are migrants. I've seen one sacked for saying to an old lady that she should try and eat something else before she had cake. He was sacked because he had refused to give her cake even though credible witnesses heard him say "have a sandwich before you have cake". Another was sacked for calling a resident a bitch Not pleasant I agree but the resident with dementia had just punched, kicked and bitten her. I forecast a crisis in care home employment.

There are always bad employers, more need to be done to crack down on them. This has been a failure of this government and the previoud one.

 

[Toffeelover]

Access to the single market has probably been the most important factor for attracting foreign investment in the UK and driving growth in the UK.

It's hard to see us getting a trade deal any better than what we've just voted out of

Mate it works both ways, EU does better out of trade with us than we do with them. There were far more issues than the economy involved.