Current Affairs EU In or Out

[GrandOldTeam]

I cringe at the whole vote demographic debate.

A vote is a vote. No vote is more important, or relevant than any other.

All this "the old voted out, the young voted in" - maybe.

But the same 'polls' are about as reliable as me doing a match report on the front page.

The 'polls' in the general election were well off - the polls in the EU ref was again - well off.

The 'poll' in this very thread, is, well off.

There's no way anyone will ever know for certain what demographic, whether age, gender or sexuality voted for.

 

[ToffeeTim]

I cringe at the whole vote demographic debate.

A vote is a vote. No vote is more important, or relevant than any other.

All this "the old voted out, the young voted in" - maybe.

But the same 'polls' are about as reliable as me doing a match report on the front page.

The 'polls' in the general election were well off - the polls in the EU ref was again - well off.

The 'poll' in this very thread, is, well off.

There's no way anyone will ever know for certain what demographic, whether age, gender or sexuality voted for.

I'm 22 and voted out. Lots of others my age also voted out, but kept quiet due to the vitriol about being a bigot/racist from our mouthy peers.

Something similar to the old theory of shy tories could well have happenned.

 

[longers]

I'm no expert on any of this but by voting to leave the Eu hasn't the north of England basically made it very likely that with Cameron resigning we will now have the most right wing Tory party running this country since the days of Thatcher ? Which is surely grim news for the north.

 

[ToffeeTim]

I'm no expert on any of this but by voting to leave the Eu hasn't the north of England basically made it very likely that with Cameron resigning we will now have the most right wing Tory party running this country since the days of Thatcher ? Which is surely grim news for the north.

I think that's a simplistic conclusion to come to as the vote carried on working class labour votes. If anything Corbyn will be kicked out and both parties will move more to the center potentially.

 

[tsubaki]

Why would the EU bend over backwards to help us? We have just shat on them massively. Our departure will be clearly on their terms, regardless of our contribution in the past. It has to be extremely harsh on us to avoid contagion.

Can the EU suceed without the UK? Id say so.
Will it survive if they allow other nations to leave? And there is your answer leave voters. Thanks for what you have done.

This is what the defeated have been going around telling everyone, but it is probably not correct.

For a start, we have the second biggest economy in Europe; they would be monumentally stupid to get into a trade war that would benefit no-one and would inevitably boost anti-EU feeling across the 27 remaining states (especially in France and in the South, already suffering from the antics of the North Europeans) which is already running high (for instance, there was a poll recently that showed 38% of people in France had a positive image of the EU; the figure in the UK was 44% and we have just voted to leave). Punishing the UK makes the breakup of the EU more likely, not less.

Secondly it is in the interests of the federalists that run the EU for us to leave - we were not part of the Euro, were never going to be part of it, and would have blocked almost all attempts at further political integration. The UK being out of the way now makes ever closer union much more of possibility, which is what needs to happen if the EU is ever going to survive.

 

[bizzaro]

I cringe at the whole vote demographic debate.

A vote is a vote. No vote is more important, or relevant than any other.

All this "the old voted out, the young voted in" - maybe.

But the same 'polls' are about as reliable as me doing a match report on the front page.

The 'polls' in the general election were well off - the polls in the EU ref was again - well off.

The 'poll' in this very thread, is, well off.

There's no way anyone will ever know for certain what demographic, whether age, gender or sexuality voted for.

I think there is something in the antagonism of the young's view towards their older peers - who it appears swung the vote.

They (the baby boomers) heralded in the age of debt and aging are continuing to demand ever more resources from the state. Whilst the young have seen the back of most of the assistance in education and similar they once had.

The older peers have in the majority finished their working lives and are expecting the young to 'keep them' despite the young facing a squeeze on their own standards of living.

Its also ironic that the older peers were around in the 1960's and 1970's which saw a liberalisation in British society. However, when the same people have become old - they've pulled the rug and said - NO in the main.

The net result is the young have been even more disadavantaged. Financially and in terms of freedoms. All on the basis of one issue: immigration.

Basically, it goes to prove.

The older people get. The more cantankerous and demanding people get. They want their own way. They want to be 'kept' if they can get away with it. They want things to remain the same as when they were young.


The young. Well. They just get a second thought...

The net result is the the young - of working age - will have to work even harder to ensure that the UK remains a reasonably good place to live.

Thats my view. Anyone aged 17-24 , 25- 40 and 40-50.

Prepare for what comes next and more hard work inevitably needed.

Whilst the financial assistances that our parents enjoyed. Things like being able to go to university etc. Expect them to disappear.

 

[JLW]

I'm 22 and voted out. Lots of others my age also voted out, but kept quiet due to the vitriol about being a bigot/racist from our mouthy peers.

Something similar to the old theory of shy tories could well have happenned.

Good on ye mate!, so even the youth can see the slippery slope we were on

 

[Librarian]

I cringe at the whole vote demographic debate.

A vote is a vote. No vote is more important, or relevant than any other.

All this "the old voted out, the young voted in" - maybe.

But the same 'polls' are about as reliable as me doing a match report on the front page.

The 'polls' in the general election were well off - the polls in the EU ref was again - well off.

The 'poll' in this very thread, is, well off.

There's no way anyone will ever know for certain what demographic, whether age, gender or sexuality voted for.

I think people are trying to tease out what happened and why, nothing wrong with that.

To be honest, I was expecting the polls to be wrong as intention to vote doesn't allow for motivation to vote. I always felt that the more motivated voter in this case was always going to be on the leave side.

 

[ToffeeTim]

Good on ye mate!, so even the youth can see the slippery slope we were on

I didn't mention it at work tho. A shy outer I suppose lol

 

[JLW]

I didn't mention it at work tho. A shy outer I suppose lol

You should tell everyone mate, be proud of the choice you made, I Am

 

[Joey66]

I cringe at the whole vote demographic debate.

A vote is a vote. No vote is more important, or relevant than any other.

All this "the old voted out, the young voted in" - maybe.

But the same 'polls' are about as reliable as me doing a match report on the front page.

The 'polls' in the general election were well off - the polls in the EU ref was again - well off.

The 'poll' in this very thread, is, well off.

There's no way anyone will ever know for certain what demographic, whether age, gender or sexuality voted for.

It's like our ex manager RM we lost the game, but had 70 percent of the pocession in the end if you get beat you lose!

 

[edge]

I didn't mention it at work tho. A shy outer I suppose lol

I am lucky everybody I work with voted out or said they did, are Union. The RMT was backing out as well.
my kids gave me a bit of light hearted stick they voted in, but were not that bothered to be honest, might be the holiday I have paid for being on the horizon, off to menorca on Sunday, be interesting to see what the Spanish think about it, infact f it will swerve all talk about it and enjoy the sun.

 

[daza_1973]

Debate getting a tad resentful of the older generations stealing their futures - 'Logans Run' here we come

 

[ianefc]

I cringe at the whole vote demographic debate.

A vote is a vote. No vote is more important, or relevant than any other.

All this "the old voted out, the young voted in" - maybe.

But the same 'polls' are about as reliable as me doing a match report on the front page.

The 'polls' in the general election were well off - the polls in the EU ref was again - well off.

The 'poll' in this very thread, is, well off.

There's no way anyone will ever know for certain what demographic, whether age, gender or sexuality voted for.

It should be noted that the polls that suggested remain would win were a 4 point swing away from being right, for example if it was 62-38 and the polls predicted a 60-40 nobody would bat an eyelid or 'cringe' they were not a million miles away. Looking at the demographic polls it's a landslide (according to the polls) that, in the main the older generation have put us here. So again if they're only a few points wrong, as they were in the referendum it still equates to more or less the same thing.

 

[dandydan]

Nobody has a clue what will happen do they?

Its never happened before

We've launched a plastic chair at European politics. Marvellous!