Current Affairs EU In or Out

[The Esk]

the EU won't be pushing for anything, they'll actually be giving us an awful lot of what we ask for.

I doubt that very much mate. The EU has to protect itself and reduce the likelihood of other States attempting to leave also. Discussions are going to be very tough indeed.

 

[JLW]

Obviously the blind decision was more appealing than the direction we could see.

Exactly that mate, got out just in time

 

[Tubey]

There's the flaw in your argument. There AREN'T any other nations in the same boat as us.

Norway and Switzerland are net exporters to the EU; we are net importers FROM the EU.

We contribute 12.5% (gross) of the entire budget of the EU. When you factor in EU spending in each member state in order to identify the biggest net contributors, the percentage we contribute GROWS. Only Germany pays in more (net) than we do.

Financially the EU as an organisation is dependent on us to such a degree that it may well not be able to continue existing if we leave. Additionally, large numbers of large European corporations make a large chunk of their profits in the UK. Therefore we hold a far stronger negotiation position than Norway or Switzerland did when they negotiated their terms - the EU won't be pushing for anything, they'll actually be giving us an awful lot of what we ask for.

 As the eurozone economy continues to stagnate, the proportion of British trade accounted for by the rest of the EU is falling, and non-European markets are becoming more important for British exporters. But this is not a reason for the UK to leave the EU.

 Membership of the EU significantly increases Britain’s trade with other member-states, while there is little evidence that it reduces trade with countries outside the Union. Britain is home to a larger stock of EU and US foreign direct investment (FDI) than any other EU economy and is the preferred location for investment from other leading markets. Some of this investment would be threatened by a UK exit from the EU.

 If Britain were to leave the EU, it would face a difficult dilemma: having to negotiate access to the EU’s single market in exchange for continued adherence to its rules – or losing access in return for regulatory sovereignty that would be largely illusory.


As for the last part, you're living in a fantasy land if you think the EU will bend over for Britain after this. Absolutely no chance - the consequence of leaving has to be severe to send the message to others, and under the rules they dictate fully the rules for leaving.

https://www.cer.org.uk/sites/defaul...nts/pdf/2014/pb_britishtrade_16jan14-8285.pdf

All I continue to see from people who voted Leave is a completely imaginary scenario with zero chance of becoming reality.

 

[Tubey]

I doubt that very much mate. The EU has to protect itself and reduce the likelihood of other States attempting to leave also. Discussions are going to be very tough indeed.

It's not even a discussion - the EU dictate the terms of leaving in full. We have no input in the matter.

 

[Old Blue 2]

It really is, I'm afraid.

Speak for yourself...

 

[Tree13]

I doubt that very much mate. The EU has to protect itself and reduce the likelihood of other States attempting to leave also. Discussions are going to be very tough indeed.

They face the stark choice of making concessions to keep us in and preserving the EU's existence, or trying to make up the shortfall in funding when we leave and watching the entire EU disintegrate when there isn't enough money to go around.

We currently pay in more (gross) than seventeen other member states combined;
If you look at NET contribution, we pay in more than anyone bar Germany.
If we leave there are only about six or eight other net contributors at all... they cannot make up the shortfall.

The EU will protect itself by agreeing to a modest reduction in our contribution and also to us being exempt from free movement. The alternative is we invoke article 50 and the EU ceases to exist.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Might not be so noticeable if 3 million Europeans head back into Europe. House prices will come down , hospitals and doctors surgeries will be less crowded.
And sports direct and the like could go bust.

It's not all doom and gloom.

Good grief

 

[harris78]

I think a lot of what is being said and written in the press and by senior figures is all gesturing and looking to save face as no-one expected Britain to leave. Now what will be proposed behind closed doors at the meetings is anyone's guess, i do not believe it will be quite such a radical change as people are led to believe though...

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

They face the stark choice of making concessions to keep us in and preserving the EU's existence, or trying to make up the shortfall in funding when we leave and watching the entire EU disintegrate when there isn't enough money to go around.

We currently pay in more (gross) than seventeen other member states combined;
If you look at NET contribution, we pay in more than anyone bar Germany.
If we leave there are only about six or eight other net contributors at all... they cannot make up the shortfall.

The EU will protect itself by agreeing to a modest reduction in our contribution and also to us being exempt from free movement. The alternative is we invoke article 50 and the EU ceases to exist.

We've voted to leave not renegotiate our terms of membership

They're going to make it as painful as possible watch it unfold

 

[Ratkiller]

It's not even a discussion - the EU dictate the terms of leaving in full. We have no input in the matter.

I think the capitalists who run the world and rely on us all to buy the [Poor language removed] they tell us we need might have something to say about it.

 

[Tree13]

We've voted to leave not renegotiate our terms of membership

They're going to make it as painful as possible watch it unfold

I phoned my broadband provider the other day and threatened to leave. They offered me an improved deal to stay, and we negotiated. I got what I wanted, and although they now get less money per month from me they still get SOME money from me.

Voting to leave IS renegotiation, because us leaving will financially cripple the EU.

 

[Joey66]

A majority made up with a large portion of pensioners who shouldn't even be allowed to drive never mind decide an entire nations future.

The majority of logical people voted to remain.

I did not like the Tories getting in can we rerun the general election, and I did not vote for Corbyn so can we have another vote for a decent leader of Labour?
I think you are insulting people's intelligence as they knew before hand it was a once in a lifetime generation!

 

[ianefc]

I phoned my broadband provider the other day and threatened to leave. They offered me an improved deal to stay, and we negotiated. I got what I wanted, and although they now get less money per month from me they still get SOME money from me.

Voting to leave IS renegotiation, because us leaving will financially cripple the EU.

Won't happen but I'd love it. The popcorn would be historic.

 

[ianefc]

A majority made up with a large portion of pensioners who shouldn't even be allowed to drive never mind decide an entire nations future.

The majority of logical people voted to remain.

Great point. Factually correct also.

 

[Ratkiller]

Good grief

Sports direct fan eh?