Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%
  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%

  • Total voters
    1,013
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Great post mate. Very worrying, not all outers are like that though, but I fear a sizeable chunk have carried it over the line, with only a pipe dream of ending migration as their reason for doing so.

There are many reason behind anyone choosing Remain or Leave. I leave in Kent, which was heavily Leave and while people at work voted Remain, everyone else I know about so far voted to Leave. For some it was about mandates and sovereignty but it is fair to say that economic arguments were largely ignored as immigration and border control became the core issue.
 
They face the stark choice of making concessions to keep us in and preserving the EU's existence, or trying to make up the shortfall in funding when we leave and watching the entire EU disintegrate when there isn't enough money to go around.

We currently pay in more (gross) than seventeen other member states combined;
If you look at NET contribution, we pay in more than anyone bar Germany.
If we leave there are only about six or eight other net contributors at all... they cannot make up the shortfall.

The EU will protect itself by agreeing to a modest reduction in our contribution and also to us being exempt from free movement. The alternative is we invoke article 50 and the EU ceases to exist.

This is wrong. Very, very, very wrong. The UK's net contribution of +£8.5 billion pa to the EU simply isn't that much money. Germany would make that up on their own if they had to in interests of saving the EU. Even if they couldn't, Euro interest rates are negative. We'd simply borrow the money (and get paid to do so) in order to cover the shortfall. 8.5 billion pounds is statistical noise compared to the economic fallout of letting the EU disintegrate. It's not even close to a sum that would force Brussels into concession. Much more worrying is the impending loss of trade due to new tariffs and lack of investment due to an uncertain business climate. But I feel the EU has no choice but to weather the storm. A good deal of foreign investment and jobs being shifted from the UK to Europe should help soften that blow somewhat.

From a continental perspective, there was already a degree of resentment towards the UK as it was felt they had the sweetest deal of the 28 - controlling their own currency while still enjoying the benefits of full membership of the EU. Not even touching on other minor things like Britain not taking any refugees etc. It is very unlikely there will be any political will for making concessions to the UK in negotiations. I can't predict what will happen, but the UK won't get off lightly.

I also think that from reading only English language media sources there is a misconception of the sentiment toward the EU on the continent. Of course there are the fringe populist politicians making headlines with outlandish statements in every country, but there isn't any serious desire to abandon the EU project.

This will hurt the European economy, (it will hurt everyone) but it will hurt the UK economy far more. It's a very bizarre decision. It's like treating a sprained finger by amputating your arm above the elbow.
 
There are many reason behind anyone choosing Remain or Leave. I leave in Kent, which was heavily Leave and while people at work voted Remain, everyone else I know about so far voted to Leave. For some it was about mandates and sovereignty but it is fair to say that economic arguments were largely ignored as immigration and border control became the core issue.
You don't need to leave Kent mate, if you're happy stay, enjoy it.
 
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So do we. If they wont deal with us, to stop other nations following us out, whats the plan?
Considering they export to us 40 percent, and we export 8 percent they have more to lose and they lose their 2 Nd biggest funder to the EU - don't forget if we have stayed in if the Euro crashed as it might how much damage would that have done?
At least now we have our own political democratic government and Don,t need 27 other countries to all vote yes!
 
Not being blunt though mate, the EU doesnt seem like the most intelligently ran organisations at the best of times, so say they DO stop trading with us (however unlikely thay may be, we have no plan for after leaving and we dont have a plan for this either) where would that leave good old blighty then?

Not being obtuse either sorry mate, just think we have taken a massive leap in to the unknown with no semblance of a plan for some of these massively important situations that may (or may not) occur.

Edit - forgot to quote the poster i was answering. What a chode.
 
Considering they export to us 40 percent, and we export 8 percent they have more to lose and they lose their 2 Nd biggest funder to the EU - don't forget if we have stayed in if the Eoro crashed as it might how much damage would that have done?
At least now we have our own political democratic government and Don,t need 27 other countries to all vote yes!

I agree completely mate but this about stopping the collapse of the Union. If they are lenient to us its inevitable it will collapse. So why would they do that?
 
It was a majority. Fact.
Figures distorted by only a 72% turnout.

Referendums should be a stipulated minimum of 95% if not a full 100% turnout in my opinion.

52% of 72% of 46,504,000 is not a majority.
It is a majority of those that cast a vote, but not a majority of the full electorate.

The rules need to stipulate that any national referendum and even the General Election needs to be as I suggest above.

Someone from darn unda can no doubt correct me, but I seem to recall hearing that it's actually an offence in Australia not to vote ?
 
Considering they export to us 40 percent, and we export 8 percent they have more to lose and they lose their 2 Nd biggest funder to the EU - don't forget if we have stayed in if the Euro crashed as it might how much damage would that have done?
At least now we have our own political democratic government and Don,t need 27 other countries to all vote yes!
The EURO will strengthen against the Pound for a short while, but with Greece being a massive burden and threat to the Euro, plus the loss of the UK billions, I can only see the pound getting stronger.
 
Should start as we mean to go on and just tell those Euro countries that are saying we have to go right now, just do one we will suit are selfs not you, we put the letter in in are time scale not yours.,
unless you want to give us something. In return for Cameron s head then we might.
 
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