Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Neiler]

Our gross contribution to the EU (12.57% of the total EU budget) is more than that of 17 other member states COMBINED (start at Finland in the table below an work your way down, you'll total roughly 11%).

Us leaving takes out more money than if Sweden, Poland, Austria, Denmark and Finland (11.69% combined) ALL left at the same time.

Us leaving is a bigger blow than Spain and Belgium (12.09%) both going.

And that's before you review the figures on which states benefit the most from EU spending. The bottom fifteen contributors to the budget on the chart below aren't net contributors at all - they can't pay in any more to cover our departure AND much of our contribution goes directly to them in the form of EU spending.

The EU cannot afford to lose 12.5% of its budget, because the current model is based on seven or eight net contributors propping up nearly twenty other states, and we are the second biggest net contributor.

My figures arent wrong mate, 8.5bill net in the Uk contribution, thats small potateos in the big scheme of things, if each country increasd there contribution then far less then 1% it covers the Uk spread with ease. Before you even look at the single currency fiscal instruments. Dont forget its also one less mouth to feed.

The EU will definitely not crumble without the UK's financial contribution, its not even relevant in terms of leverage in negotiations.

The big domestic question for the UK is will the cost/impact of the brexit be more then the 8.5 bill you already contribute, i think it will by far exceed it.

 

[wikofootball]

not cry arsing... for information for people not that you will; be getting much from the new regime

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

To those who ask why people like me do not vote. This is why.

Nigel Farage: £350m NHS pledge 'a mistake'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36624697

Well, if people couldn't work that out...

We KNEW the net figure was less, and we KNEW that a lot of any saving'd go elsewhere, too.

 

[Kiwi]

But only the people who voted out though?

Both in and out mate.
Ideal scenario everyone/most who vote make an informed choice not tainted by fear and misinformation.

 

[bring the ghost on]

What is it escapes you?

Jobs ARE being created - zero-hours contracts, and low-paid, part-time jobs. The jobs that are being eagerly snapped up by the EU immigrants.

The same immigrants that happily do these jobs because they HAVE to. The jobs with little protection, the jobs they expect the brit to tug their forelock & thank their masters for ffs.

Meanwhile the UK citizen is derided as 'lazy, workshy and feckless' if they want full time work but can't get it because they're being taken by some romanian or czech or what-have-ya that already has low paid, less secure work.

UK nationals have to jump through friggin' hoops before they can claim what they've paid into, and are forced to work for their dole stacking shelves at poundland....Did the EU migrants work for their dole in their own countries?

No.

So, if immigrants are taking up poorly paid, zero-hours jobs, is the answer:

a) have fewer immigrants, or
b) attempt to address the actual problem of low wages, poor workers rights and opportunities

The way were heading, conditions for low paid workers will get worse rather than better, because the EU offered protections which (if the Tories continue to have electoral success) will be eroded very quickly.

 

[harry]

Both in and out mate.
Ideal scenario everyone/most who vote make an informed choice not tainted by fear and misinformation.

I also hope that was the case. Most people can see through bluff. A lot of us have been through enough elections.

 

[Tramps_mate]

not cry arsing... for information for people not that will you will; be getting much from the new regime

I agree!!

 

[dead_soft]

I'm not saying it was one way traffic mate.
Only that fear and misinformation has resulted in a suboptimal result,many people haven't voted because of the facts and made an informed decision

It was always going to be this way. We turned what should have been a rational, measured debated on Britain's position in Europe in to a bit of sport by allowing for a referendum. A truly appalling decision to ever let the public vote on this

 

[harry]

So, if immigrants are taking up poorly paid, zero-hours jobs, is the answer:

a) have fewer immigrants, or
b) attempt to address the actual problem of low wages, poor workers rights and opportunities

The way were heading, conditions for low paid workers will get worse rather than better, because the EU offered protections which (if the Tories continue to have electoral success) will be eroded very quickly.

I think workers rights is part of British law too. It wouldn't be easy to change plus why would they? They would basically forfit the next general election.

 

[Kiwi]

It was always going to be this way. We turned what should have been a rational, measured debated on Britain's position in Europe in to a bit of sport by allowing for a referendum. A truly appalling decision to ever let the public vote on this

Short term political gain for long term national pain

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

b) attempt to address the actual problem of low wages, poor workers rights and opportunities

And what have the unions done about it?

Not a thing. That rat Serwotka has even encouraged the DWP workers to sanction people's dole, by not doing a dicky-bird to protest.

McCluskey has welcomed low-paid apprenticeships, most of which consist of kids sitting on their arses doing nothing all day, or apprenticeships in stacking shelves FAFS.

 

[orchard]

It's more than do with this particular vote and the quality of our representation and not voting per se, isn't it?
Voting out was always going to cede more power to the most dubious politicians we have, and as you point out, they're feckless and deceitful to boot.
Now that 'we've' voted out we need to ensure we establish a proper democracy that represents the long-term interests of our citizens and promote good custodianship of our assets.

To those who ask why people like me do not vote. This is why.

Nigel Farage: £350m NHS pledge 'a mistake'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36624697

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

The way were heading, conditions for low paid workers will get worse rather than better, because the EU offered protections which (if the Tories continue to have electoral success) will be eroded very quickly

Our unions pre-EU did as much for worker's rights than the EU did.

They've stood by recently and done sod-all to protect worker's rights.

 

[harry]

It was always going to be this way. We turned what should have been a rational, measured debated on Britain's position in Europe in to a bit of sport by allowing for a referendum. A truly appalling decision to ever let the public vote on this

I can't really disagree with this. Stay or leave was a big decision to make after a couple of months of information. Whatever the result would have been.

 

[bring the ghost on]

I think workers rights is part of British law too. It wouldn't be easy to change plus why would they? They would basically forfit the next general election.

EU law offers many if the protections, the Tories are hardly going to clamouring to replace them are they?

As for election campaigns, they're not going to say "vote for us, we'll erode workers rights", they will do it by stealth like they always have done.