Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Lee Smith]

Nobody can tell me its a good idea to give anyone in the north east the right to vote

lol Loving your work this morning Darth

 

[Abertonian]

Didn't the Scottish know there was going to be an EU referendum when they voted to stay?

Yes of course but opinion at the time wasn't even close to 50-50. A vote to leave was seen as extremely unlikely because it was marketed by the press as a something only the people like the EDL would seriously vote for and the vast majority of England would vote for the status quo. A lot can happen in two years.

At the time it was certainly expected that the Indy referendum would be far tighter than the EU one. lol

 

[arminisgod]

That is correct

18-25 year olds largely voted remain

All the old racists from backward towns like Burnley voted out

im from Burnley and you have no idea what immigration has done to towns like it.

 

[Kiwi]

im from Burnley and you have no idea what immigration has done to towns like it.

What has it done mate?
Enlighten us

 

[bring the ghost on]

So was the stay campaign.

Hence why I used the word "aswell" at the end of the sentence.

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

Indeed. France currently pay less than the Netherlands does and they are agitating for their own referendum.

Yeah, but that marine le pen...Well, you know...

Not our problem any more. I was wondering...will the French state-owned EDF now withdraw from running power plants in the UK because we're not in the EU?

If they do, french consumer's power costs will rise, because we've been subsidising their power costs out of our own pockets.

And I wonder if we'll see the reintroduction of chinese-made solar panels & the accompanying grants to fit them, seeing as the EU laid massive prohibitive tarriffs on them...

 

[Neiler]

The next PM is going to be a Brexit-er though, so even if the next few months show the argument for leaving to be nonsensical, it seems unlikely that they'll back down as they will lose credibility with those that voted them as leader from their own party, but also with the electorate at a looming general election. Politics will trump rationality.

I fear this mate, but British politics is now really a side show to over all impact. I think what hasnt been recognised by yesterdays vote, is despite the national fervour to "do it on our own". Britain is now more at risk to the political whims of Europe then ever before. Like it or not we live in a globalised world more so then ever before, no longer is the market for anything national s it was pre EU its global, for Britain to thrive and the British economy to compete it need to be so in haromny and recipricol retionships with Europe and the rest of the world. What Britain has bascially done yesterday is say - we dont need that, which is amazing. When Britain is ready to play football again, politcally Europe isnt going to say OK, you dont have to make contribution but can still have all the perks, Europe politcally needs to give Britain a kicking for its survival. In many ways Britain is going to be more exposed to European policy then ever before but not have a say on it.

In a globalised world Britain exisits with a broader social system, yesterday vote is basically just denial, the consequences i sincerley hope wont be as stark as i think they will be.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Read this on Sky - sums things up well.

China has invested heavily, or at least planned to, using the UK as the bridgehead into Europe's 500 million-person market. Japan has been doing so for years - imagine Sunderland without the added Nissan.

Britain's flexible labour market, rule of law, financial services and tradition of entrepreneurism have, for 40 years, meant that it was able to attract non-EU investors keen to muscle in on the mainland's markets.

Britain has been seen by EU-outsiders as the broker between German and French competition inside Europe. Its standing in the world has been derived not only from its recent history of empire and Commonwealth connections but also because it has been a major player in the biggest trade bloc on earth.

What its place in that market will be in the long term will be the focus of anxious and prolonged negotiation.

But there can be no doubt that from Washington to Beijing leaders have been, and will be, shaking their heads with incredulity at what they will see as a bizarre turning inward by a nation that once saw no horizons to its influence.


That is pretty much it really - a bizarre, insular move from a country that is historically progressive and looks to influence the world.

It's perhaps worth remember too that the likes of Norway and Canada's trade agreement with the EU fails to include services or finance, which given that this remains the major part of our economy should be a huge concern, even if those economies aren't perhaps particularly well represented amongst leave voters.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I fear this mate, but British politics is now really a side show to over all impact. I think what hasnt been recognised by yesterdays vote, is despite the national fervour to "do it on our own". Britain is now more at risk to the political whims of Europe then ever before. Like it or not we live in a globalised world more so then ever before, no longer is the market for anything national s it was pre EU its global, for Britain to thrive and the British economy to compete it need to be so in haromny and recipricol retionships with Europe and the rest of the world. What Britain has bascially done yesterday is say - we dont need that, which is amazing. When Britain is ready to play football again, politcally Europe isnt going to say OK, you dont have to make contribution but can still have all the perks, Europe politcally needs to give Britain a kicking for its survival. In many ways Britain is going to be more exposed to European policy then ever before but not have a say on it.

In a globalised world Britain exisits with a broader social system, yesterday vote is basically just denial, the consequences i sincerley hope wont be as stark as i think they will be.

I think for many, they're saying that "we're losing out because of that".

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

I disagree mate, i dont think the financial chip gives much if any leverage what so ever. Britain pay 18 bill to the EU, 5 Billion of that goes straight back to the UK in a rebate, while the EU gives the Uk 4.5 billion to the EU in grants mostly for farming and development of underprivilaged areas so your looking at a figure of £8.5 bill net the Uk contributes.

That cost can very simply be spread out amongst the member nations when you consider the scale and breath of all the member states. While because the EU has its own currency it can use its fiscal instruments to basically print money if required, obviously that has a different impact, but its whats it doing at the moment anyway.

I think the only hope Britian has is lobbying closely linked states or its main trade parteners in the Eu to have a groundswell of inside states who would back Britain for trade purposes. However i do think the cost of letting Britain leave without a kicking is unlikely, given that it would as was pointed out may incentivise other nations to leave the EU nation. If Britain gets any perks then why wouldnt other nations if they left, thats not going to happen politically. No way is this going to be an easy exit for Britain.

My own opinion, is that i do hope an easy exit happens for the British citizens sake but also th eimpact it will have the economies of Britains trade partners, at the very least try to keep in the free market, but i just dont see it happening.

One things for certain - Ireland is going to suffer badly from this. The UK is Ireland's biggest trading partner. The Irish Times has a good overview of the problems facing Ireland post-Brexit

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/irel...s-brexit-nightmare-mean-for-ireland-1.2697702

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

I'm not sure if you're being facetious or what mate, but just about everything under the sun.
The overloading of services, costs to the country e.t.c..

Strangely, I see our own low-paid (& claiming benefits) and the unemployed (Through no fault of their own) getting as much blame for the exact same reasons, too.

It's far from all being one-way traffic.

 

[Kiwi]

Strangely, I see our own low-paid (& claiming benefits) and the unemployed (Through no fault of their own) getting as much blame for the exact same reasons, too.

It's far from all being one-way traffic.

I'm not saying it was one way traffic mate.
Only that fear and misinformation has resulted in a suboptimal result,many people haven't voted because of the facts and made an informed decision

 

[BlueLlama]

 

[Neiler]

One things for certain - Ireland is going to suffer badly from this. The UK is Ireland's biggest trading partner. The Irish Times has a good overview of the problems facing Ireland post-Brexit

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/irel...s-brexit-nightmare-mean-for-ireland-1.2697702

I think so mate, but sincerley hope not. The opposition to the above, is that Ireland now sits attractively on the Western frontier of Europe for Multi Nationals with a high skilled, educated, English speaking work force which may now be more attractive then Britain to outside investment, multi nationals and companies leaving the Uk with the restrictions doing trade in the UK are likley to have. We also have very "competitive" rates of corporation tax, some would scandiously so.

Personally i do think it will impact our own recovery, which is why i hope Britain stays in the free market, but i dont think that will happen. Certainly i think Ireland will be one of Britains closest allies in future negotiations.

 

[Seanjd]

Strangely, I see our own low-paid (& claiming benefits) and the unemployed (Through no fault of their own) getting as much blame for the exact same reasons, too.

It's far from all being one-way traffic.

Of course they do. They're as demonised as immigrants.