Current Affairs EU In or Out

[arminisgod]

What has it done mate?
Enlighten us

over crowded public services, huge influx of foreign labour keeping wages down.

 

[Seanjd]

im from Burnley and you have no idea what immigration has done to towns like it.

Just to clarify that were talking about EU migrants here right? Because in 2011 (latest data), EU migrants made up less than 1% of Burnley's makeup.

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

I'm not saying it was one way traffic mate.
Only that fear and misinformation has resulted in a suboptimal result.

Don't really see what was 'suboptimal' about the result.

Don't really know how 'highly-qualified' immigrants taking 2-3 low-paid part time jobs and leaving the British national less chance to work is 'misinformation'.

Nor how parasitical agencies go about recruiting exclusively from the former eastern bloc in order to get the job done cheaper, in order to maximise their profits & lowering wages, while expecting the british national to give up their rights 'because the foreign workers happily do so'.

That's not 'divisive', is it? All's it does, is it tells me that foreigners don't get anywhere as near as bum a deal as the UK national when it comes to negativity.

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

Because in 2011 (latest data)

Err....It's 2016, mate. There's a lot more immigrants come in since then. At a rate of 140,000 a year that'd be 700,000 (Almost a city the size of Liverpool) spread out across the country. That's just from the EU.

Even the Govt don't know the exact figures for immigration. All's we know is that it's unsustainable levels, and that's a major reason why more people voted to leave.

 

[wikofootball]

seems to be building up.... https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215

 

[Seanjd]

Don't really see what was 'suboptimal' about the result.

Don't really know how 'highly-qualified' immigrants taking 2-3 low-paid part time jobs and leaving the British national less chance to work is 'misinformation'.

Nor how parasitical agencies go about recruiting exclusively from the former eastern bloc in order to get the job done cheaper, in order to maximise their profits & lowering wages, while expecting the british national to give up their rights 'because the foreign workers happily do so'.

That's not 'divisive', is it? All's it does, is it tells me that foreigners don't get anywhere as near as bum a deal as the UK national when it comes to negativity.

I honestly believe your anger is misdirected. So we're talking jobs;

Ultimately, what's is the problem? Lack of jobs. Why? Because they aren't being created, not because a net migration of about 1m EU migrants are taking them.

Look at the governments failings. Look at lack of industry and the decline in manual jobs.

 

[Kiwi]

Just to clarify that were talking about EU migrants here right? Because in 2011 (latest data), EU migrants made up less than 1% of Burnley's makeup.

The rest of the immigrants are from before subcontinental immigration restrictions occurred, and that's about 10%.

over crowded public services, huge influx of foreign labour keeping wages down.

and you don't think that leaving a trading bloc and having to renegotiate trading deals from a position of weakness might have a negative effect on what is basically purely a manufacturing town.
Especially seeing as some manufacturers across the country have been talking about upping sticks?

 

[Maxwell]

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IMAGINE the social media posts had remain won though. Leavers would be much much worse than what it is right now.

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

Look at lack of industry and the decline in manual jobs.

Where was the EU to prevent this?

 

[arminisgod]

Just to clarify that were talking about EU migrants here right? Because in 2011 (latest data), EU migrants made up less than 1% of Burnley's makeup.

trust me, thats figure is uttely wrong. The town next door Nelson is a complete Polish / Lithuanian town now. The company i work for employs around 500 EU workers out of 700

 

[Caolam]

No you don't.
Aren't you Irish?

I from Northern Ireland.

 

[arminisgod]

The rest of the immigrants are from before subcontinental immigration restrictions occurred, and that's about 10%.

and you don't think that leaving a trading bloc and having to renegotiate trading deals from a position of weakness might have a negative effect on what is basically purely a manufacturing town.
Especially seeing as some manufacturers across the country have been talking about upping sticks?

no manufacturers will leave Burnley. Why would they? the vast majority of goods made there are sold in the UK.

 

[Kiwi]

trust me, thats figure is uttely wrong. The town next door Nelson is a complete Polish / Lithuanian town now. The company i work for employs around 500 EU workers out of 700

and so with that in mind, when any negotiations with the EU are going to be pushing open immigration with the government negotiating from a position of weakness, is leaving the EU going to change this hugely?

 

[Lee Smith]

seems to be building up.... https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215

Absolutely ridiculous petition.

Firstly, they can't even get the grammar correct in their description of what the petition is for.

Secondly, the only way to guarantee a turnout of 75% or more is by making it a legal requirement to vote, as is the case in some countries

Thirdly, even if they do get the turnout above 75% there is no way they would get a 60-40 or wider result either way, and there would just be referendum after referendum

 

[Tree13]

I disagree mate, i dont think the financial chip gives much if any leverage what so ever. Britain pay 18 bill to the EU, 5 Billion of that goes straight back to the UK in a rebate, while the EU gives the Uk 4.5 billion to the EU in grants mostly for farming and development of underprivilaged areas so your looking at a figure of £8.5 bill net the Uk contributes.

That cost can very simply be spread out amongst the member nations when you consider the scale and breath of all the member states. While because the EU has its own currency it can use its fiscal instruments to basically print money if required, obviously that has a different impact, but its whats it doing at the moment anyway.

I think the only hope Britian has is lobbying closely linked states or its main trade parteners in the Eu to have a groundswell of inside states who would back Britain for trade purposes. However i do think the cost of letting Britain leave without a kicking is unlikely, given that it would as was pointed out may incentivise other nations to leave the EU nation. If Britain gets any perks then why wouldnt other nations if they left, thats not going to happen politically. No way is this going to be an easy exit for Britain.

My own opinion, is that i do hope an easy exit happens for the British citizens sake but also th eimpact it will have the economies of Britains trade partners, at the very least try to keep in the free market, but i just dont see it happening.

Our gross contribution to the EU (12.57% of the total EU budget) is more than that of 17 other member states COMBINED (start at Finland in the table below an work your way down, you'll total roughly 11%).

Us leaving takes out more money than if Sweden, Poland, Austria, Denmark and Finland (11.69% combined) ALL left at the same time.

Us leaving is a bigger blow than Spain and Belgium (12.09%) both going.

And that's before you review the figures on which states benefit the most from EU spending. The bottom fifteen contributors to the budget on the chart below aren't net contributors at all - they can't pay in any more to cover our departure AND much of our contribution goes directly to them in the form of EU spending.

The EU cannot afford to lose 12.5% of its budget, because the current model is based on seven or eight net contributors propping up nearly twenty other states, and we are the second biggest net contributor.