Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Whistlin' Dixie]

All the old racists from backward towns like Burnley voted out

Good Lord!

Surely some mistake...

 

[Darth Vader]

Didn't even vote

Couldn't be arsed walking to the top of the road

 

[Tree13]

Good point this mate, that's why the French and the Germans have seen their arse big style about us leaving, because they know they may have to plug the shortfall of cash that the EU are no longer going to get from us.

Indeed. France currently pay less than the Netherlands does and they are agitating for their own referendum. Can you imagine what will happen there if their contribution is jacked up by the equivalent of £2bn a year?

It is not in the financial interests of any one of the other 27 states for the UK to leave, ergo they will agree to concessions.

 

[Seanjd]

What woes are they blamed for?

Traffic on the M4.

 

[1966efc]

If the figures I've seen are correct then the spread of votes for remain were mostly but younger people, and votes for out mostly by older people (50+). Those that voted leave don't actually have to live with the consequences of their decision, we, the younger generation do, and we by and large didn't want to leave. Nobody I know in my age group wanted to leave.

Haven't seen any analysis of voting by age cohort although I suspect there's an age divide. If you can propose an alternative to current voting regulations, you should.

 

[harry]

Traffic on the M4.

I wouldn't know, the leave campaign didn't mention it.

 

[Kiwi]

What woes are they blamed for?

I'm not sure if you're being facetious or what mate, but just about everything under the sun.
The overloading of services, costs to the country e.t.c.
in reality the stats back up that immigrants are by far a positive influence on this country, not only economically but also culturally and with regards to innovation and success.
Racist scaremongering pure and simple.

 

[Ashtonian]

So forgetting about the naff campaigns, you actually agreed with remain yourself, but voted leave because the remain campaign were fear mongering?

No mate it meant that it was difficult to determine what side of the argument my mind fell apon so I had to take what little information I had and make a conscious decision taking into account how little I actually know about the EU. Or most of us for that matter

Very surprised that you didn't think the Brexit campaign (hello "breaking point") was driven by fear aswell.

It was mate. I acknowledged that yesterday , the issue being overall that it was very hard to turds either side so I had to make a decision away from there.

 

[Dymak]

You're all welcome here in sunny Australia.

We aren't all welcome though, are we. We'd need to possess a sufficient level of skill within a particular industry that is in need of professionals from abroad in order to even stand a chance of getting a long term visa.

 

[Darth Vader]

We aren't all welcome though, are we. We'd need to possess a sufficient level of skill within a particular industry that is in need of professionals from abroad in order to stand a chance of getting a long term visa.

Not if you hide in someones suitcase

 

[Tree13]

We aren't all welcome though, are we. We'd need to possess a sufficient level of skill within a particular industry that is in need of professionals from abroad in order to even stand a chance of getting a long term visa.

Just like it should be, in any country.

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

With the angels now sweet prince

Oh, I'm gonna burn in hell, me, mate

 

[Bruce Wayne]

This is why i worry for Britain, the most logical thing to do is try and keep Britain in the common market, both for Britains sake and other economies linked to it. For example Britiain is Irelands biggest trade partner. However the issue now rather then a logical fiscal one may become political, if the European Union is to survive and maintain its power base it needs to preserve membership, to do that the likes of Bexits elsewhere need to be unattractive. As such my concern is that Britain is going to get a kicking from the EU on the way out the door i.e. tighter boarder controls on Brittish citizens entering Europe, Taxs on imports and exports, Customs, Tax on multinationals operating in the free market and excise and most significanlty not being allowed to operate in the free market in general.

With Britain gone, the European political agenda will shift to preserving membership, the only way to that, is leave Britain black and blue on the conditions of their departure.

The next PM is going to be a Brexit-er though, so even if the next few months show the argument for leaving to be nonsensical, it seems unlikely that they'll back down as they will lose credibility with those that voted them as leader from their own party, but also with the electorate at a looming general election. Politics will trump rationality.

 

[harry]

I'm not sure if you're being facetious or what mate, but just about everything under the sun.
The overloading of services, costs to the country e.t.c.
in reality the stats back up that immigrants are by far a positive influence on this country, not only economically but also culturally and with regards to innovation and success.
Racist scaremongering pure and simple.

People are generally worried about the overloading of services and this is a problem. The cost to the country I'm not sure about as most people know that immigrants From the eu come to work. As for racist, what race are the British against? Black, white?

 

[Neiler]

If the EU had the finances to continue without the UK, then I believe your assessment would be spot on - they would do their very best to kick us to death.

However, the EU needs the UK's financial contribution in order for it to continue to exist. Therefore it won't just shrug and let the UK leave - in fact, I suspect the EU bigwigs are already on the blower wanting to know what our terms are for staying in. A vote to leave gives our negotiators a much stronger hand than Cameron had back in February. The idea that on day 1 the EU has said "No renegotiations. Just leave." is hilarious, because on monday morning their finance department is going to whisper in their ear "Two years after the UK triggers Article 50 we'll all be out of jobs."

The crux of the issue for me is that we pay the second-largest sum of money into the EU out of all the member states (and will continue to do so unless we trigger Article 50, and even then we will continue to do so for at least another two years) but only have 1/28th of a say in what goes on. We should either keep paying in a large sum and get a much larger say in running things, or our contribution needs to drop to a level that reflects our degree of influence.

I disagree mate, i dont think the financial chip gives much if any leverage what so ever. Britain pay 18 bill to the EU, 5 Billion of that goes straight back to the UK in a rebate, while the EU gives the Uk 4.5 billion to the EU in grants mostly for farming and development of underprivilaged areas so your looking at a figure of £8.5 bill net the Uk contributes.

That cost can very simply be spread out amongst the member nations when you consider the scale and breath of all the member states. While because the EU has its own currency it can use its fiscal instruments to basically print money if required, obviously that has a different impact, but its whats it doing at the moment anyway.

I think the only hope Britian has is lobbying closely linked states or its main trade parteners in the Eu to have a groundswell of inside states who would back Britain for trade purposes. However i do think the cost of letting Britain leave without a kicking is unlikely, given that it would as was pointed out may incentivise other nations to leave the EU nation. If Britain gets any perks then why wouldnt other nations if they left, thats not going to happen politically. No way is this going to be an easy exit for Britain.

My own opinion, is that i do hope an easy exit happens for the British citizens sake but also th eimpact it will have the economies of Britains trade partners, at the very least try to keep in the free market, but i just dont see it happening.