Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Seanjd]

So their concerns are only justified if they have a certain % of immigrants living close by?

There was me thinking people were voting on what they think's best for the nation AND their kids...

Nice swift change of argument there, Dixie.

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

That's a huge risk. You're risking a huge lurch to the right with the hope that we might be able to get rid. Not with no Scotland mate. Not off the back this eurosceptic success.

Not with no Scotland?

They're still part of the union, last time I checked. By a bigger majority than what the EU referendum got if I'm not mistaken.

 

[Alanbileysfeathercut]

Its a hell of a card that was dealt yesterday and Scotland i think would significantly benifit from EU memebership on its own speed. Equally it would really suit the EU to have Scottish fishing and energy under its umbrella. I think the committemt they would get on structural funding would be significant as a result.

Should be interesting

 

[Seanjd]

Not with no Scotland?

They're still part of the union, last time I checked. By a bigger majority than what the EU referendum got if I'm not mistaken.

They're whitewash SNP mate.

 

[harry]

If the figures I've seen are correct then the spread of votes for remain were mostly but younger people, and votes for out mostly by older people (50+). Those that voted leave don't actually have to live with the consequences of their decision, we, the younger generation do, and we by and large didn't want to leave. Nobody I know in my age group wanted to leave.

Guess what mate, older people have kids and grand kids. I'm sure they crossed their mind when making the decision. Is it not possible that people with more life experience can make a decision that they think will be better for their kids?.

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

Nice swift change of argument there, Dixie.

Haha!

Yeah. Come on, out with it....I know you're dying to

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

If there is no renegotiation and we do leave, the EU will very likely collapse due to the sudden loss of the billions of pounds a year we put into it as a net contributor. Only Germany pays in more than we do, and the next biggest contributors after us are the Netherlands and France. those three countries are not going to agree to make up the shortfall created by the UK withdrawing all funding, because to do so will simply reinforce the pro-exit movements in those countries.

If as an alternative those three countries are asked to approve a renegotiation allowing the UK to be exempt from the free movement rules, I suspect they will take it.

Good point this mate, that's why the French and the Germans have seen their arse big style about us leaving, because they know they may have to plug the shortfall of cash that the EU are no longer going to get from us.

 

[BlueLlama]

The real villains here are the bone idle 28% that couldn't be arsed to vote.

 

[joey_macmo]

Both, this has brought the worst out in many but you cant pick and choose democratic results you want to accept

Must have missed your condemnation of that on Thursday then sorry fella

 

[harry]

That is correct

18-25 year olds largely voted remain

All the old racists from backward towns like Burnley voted out

As soon as you throw the word racist into your post you opinion is void.

 

[Librarian]

I voted with my kids and granddaughter in mind......I believe we have given them back control of their own futures.....

Kids all voted to remain though, if they could control their future, they'd be in Europe.

The criticism I'd have of Europe is that it appears to have no real vision, people are afraid of it because they don't know where it's leading to.

There was a real opportunity for Cameron to put forward a vision for a type of Europe people want but instead it turned into a narrow interests 'Deal', horse trading around immigration and social welfare.

Nobody on the remain side within Europe or within the UK seemed to have any vision for the future for anyone to buy into, I don't think that's a reason to leave but Europe is making it up as it goes along and is badly in need of a few people of substance at the helm.

 

[Seanjd]

The overwhelming majority of those people have seen for themselves and voted accordingly. Some of them might have been taken in by some of the more extreme rhetroic.

I'm just going to pick you up on this point you made about 'overwhelming majority' seeing the negative effects of immigration and voting accordingly, seeing as you're keen to move away from it now.

As you have previously admitted that immigration did play a major part in this election, and that it greatly affects the life of working classes, can you explain why working class towns with very small immigration rates voted leave in large numbers? Just going back to my council of St. Helens, there are 0.4 EU migrants living and working there. Nearly 60% leave.

 

[orchard]

Let's keep it simple at £1mil of assets.

Voting should be a privilege

Only people earning 50k a year or over should get a vote

 

[Tree13]

This is why i worry for Britain, the most logical thing to do is try and keep Britain in the common market, both for Britain sake and other economies linked to it. For example Britiain is Irelands biggest trade partner. However the issue now rather then a logical fiscal one may become political, if the European Union is to survive it and maintain its power base it needs to preserve membership, to that the likes of Bexits elsewhere need to be unattractive. As such my concern is that Britain is going to get a kicking from the EU on the way out the door i.e. tighter boarder controls on Brittish citizens entering Europe, Taxs, Customs, Tax on multinationals operating in the free market and excise and most significanlty not being allowed to operate in the free market in general.

With Britain gone, the European political agenda will shift to preserving membership the only way to that, is leave Britain black and blue on the conditions of their departure.

If the EU had the finances to continue without the UK, then I believe your assessment would be spot on - they would do their very best to kick us to death.

However, the EU needs the UK's financial contribution in order for it to continue to exist. Therefore it won't just shrug and let the UK leave - in fact, I suspect the EU bigwigs are already on the blower wanting to know what our terms are for staying in. A vote to leave gives our negotiators a much stronger hand than Cameron had back in February. The idea that on day 1 the EU has said "No renegotiations. Just leave." is hilarious, because on monday morning their finance department is going to whisper in their ear "Two years after the UK triggers Article 50 we'll all be out of jobs."

The crux of the issue for me is that we pay the second-largest sum of money into the EU out of all the member states (and will continue to do so unless we trigger Article 50, and even then we will continue to do so for at least another two years) but only have 1/28th of a say in what goes on. We should either keep paying in a large sum and get a much larger say in running things, or our contribution needs to drop to a level that reflects our degree of influence.

 

[BlueLlama]

Must have missed your condemnation of that on Thursday then sorry fella

Didn't post on Thursday mate was working all day. Not sure what that had to do with anything