Does Cahill hold us back

[nickydisco]

when hes gone people will be saying everton need to find the next cahill

 

[Jenko]

I would say the opposite. The only reason we were in that mess was because we had no ideas, creativity or penetration. I attribute that to us using the same tactics and formation that we've been using for years. Which Cahill is a major part of. Teams knew how to defend against us, and bar set pieces, weren't in any real danger of conceding.

It's not always as simple as saying "without Cahill's goals" because that implies that if he'd not played we'd have done everything the exact same bar score. Which is nonsense. Without him we adapted, and we adapted very well. So well we climbed to 7th, which at one point seemed impossible.

But enough. I'm going in circles here. I think I've made my stance clear; I love Cahill, but no man is bigger than the team, and we should put out the best XI to do the job each week, not our favourite XI.

I know what you mean so don't worry, you don't have to repeat yourself again!

We'll never know what would have happened without him back then, it could have went either way. Without his goals and being the only person to give a **** iirc we could have sank further and not come back out of the slump. Or we could have adapted like we did later in the season when he left us.

If Cahill played as ****e as everyone else though, and we sank even further, into the bottom 3 say, do you think we'd have gave a **** later in the season and not got back to a respectable position? I think when he left we were far down enough to know we needed to pull our socks up but not far down enough to give up entirely so we did pull our socks up and ended up doing alright. If we'd have sank much further I doubt we'd have got the same response.

 

[billycopper]

FFS. I said enough and I mean it but I've just got to say one thing: against DC.

Cahill isn't good enough to play there against prem opposition.

OK, now I'm out.

We've tried him there once and he's played well there once. That's 100% so far. We'll only know if it will work against better opposition by testing it.

 

[McBain]

I'm sitting this one out mates. The OP is obviously bored waiting for the Methadone Clinic to open.

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[TX Bill]

No mate. Just.....no

You can't write off an attacking mid with a goalscoring record like his that easily in my opinion. Especially when he does an awful lot of the combative work further up the pitch than our holding mids, winning back second balls and generally scaring the bejesus out of defences, making them hurry and breaking up their rhythm.

Looked for a post that conveyed my thoughts exactly (too lazy to put my own words down....God gave you eyes, plagiarize).

This one.

 

[TX Tiburon]

He's valuable but... are any of our current forwards more productive with Cahill playing AM? I don't think so. Not in open play. We cry for better service from the midfield or to sign another forward because those we have are not good enough. But, does shoehorning Cahill into every game benefit the overall play?

Tough call. We would lose a giant threat on set pieces and crosses from Baines without his inclusion. But I tend to think the team could progress or adapt without him as a full-timer. Maybe I'm just being optimistic.

 

[Philw]

Only Yak is powerful enough to hold us back. I saw him after training once and he got in his car to drive off but it wouldn't start, so he got out, went to the back, threw it home and got a taxi.

Lol.

Cahill is one of our most important players imo and he's going to play a vital role in our gateceashing of the top four next season, at least that's what Bill Kenwright told me in Disney world.

Was that at the same time he promised The Mout was signing this week?

Timmy is a god. He's on the FIFA12 cover with shrek n kaka ffs!!

So 2/3rds of the players on the cover play/played for Everton? Eat that sky 4/5/6!!

 

[Elong]

Macca I'm dissapointed I got my popcorn ready and all, don't let me down man!

 

[Summerskin]

Cahill does not hold us back.

Moyes inability to play another system at home when Cahill can't hit a barn door/picks up a niggle holds us back.

A fit and firing Tim Cahill is a thing to behold, anyone that doubts him is a Kopite.

 

[Blue 1]

Bollocks, voted no when I meant yes. The thread title says one thing, poll says the opposite.

Cahill doesn't hold us back, and should, more often than not, be in the first XI.

The team didn't perform badly first half of the season because of him. He was in the form of his life. It was the rest of them. Ossie, who everyone's got a boner over now because he was ace when Arteta was moved from the centre, was particularly appalling during that period.

We just need to be adaptable. I don't think there's anyone in the squad who should be an automatic pick.

Except Fellaini.

 

[ToffeeBlueNose]

I voted no but meant yes too why change the poll title doh!!

 

[Neiler]

Not for me lets be honest here, hes up there with the likes of any midfeilder and most strikers in PL in terms of goals, its how you view him really he doesnt have a set position hes a midfeilder/striker and the end product he brings to the game is unbleiveable, you can never dismiss his leadership qualites, desire, nuisance factor for other teams, he has the ability to set the tempo of the game as well with his hurly burley style.

I know the point poeple are trying make, but its not about Cahill for me its more about the system and lack of pace on the break for me, tbf to him he scored more then any of our strikers in half a season then they did in a full one that said its not definitive either there are some games where maybe taking him of another striker could benifit us, its about varience and options throughout any game and that goes for any player, there are few better then STC in what he does. Its a hell of an impact in terms of end product to take him out of the team.

 

[BlueOz]

Not for me lets be honesthere, hes up there with the likes of any midfeilder and most strikers in PL in terms of goals, its how you view him really he doesnt have a set position hes a midfeilder/striker and the end product he brings to the game is unbleiveable, you can never dismiss his leadership qualites, desire, nuisance factor for other teams, he has the ability to set the tempo of thegame as well with his hurly burley style.

I know the point poeple are trying make, but its not about Cahill for me its more about the system and lack of pace on the break for me, tbf to him he scored more then any of our strikers in half a season then they did in a full one. Thtas a hell of an impact to take out of a team.

As an aussie, obviously love tim, but agree that he has his limitations in a team with slow build up play. Tim is about goals, and as Neiler has quite rightly stated, with PACE in the team to get to the by-line and send in crosses, he will score over and over, this has been proved.

We clearly need pace and a quality end product for Cahill to finish off, stetch defences so they cannot get back and crowd him in the box, Tim's quality is that he knows where to be to score.

Happy to purchase two wingers to facilitate this in preference to one winger and a striker

 

[TyphooToffee]

Last year, when TC went off to Oz, I said it could prove to be a blessing in disguise and that we'd see more of the 'Everton Arsenal', and so it proved to be the case. Now, I think it's time to play like it by design, not by accident so, sorry Timmy, me old bush kangaroo, but it's a no from me.

 

[Deleted member 28206]

I believe that we play better football and are a better team without Cahill in the starting lineup. He acts as a target man when playing and too much focus is on finding him and that acts as a hinderance to our team. Apart from his goals he doesn't offer much else and I feel that Osman or Bilyaletdinov are better players in his position to encourage good football.

A natural response would be.... look at the goals he scores. But the problem is that when he is scoring, no-one else is, which is because of the style we play when he plays. Yes he has been an iconic figure for the club, but I genuinely think he holds us back when playing. Perhaps we should put him up front again if we need to incorporate him in the team, but in midfield it is a position wasted as he doesn't have the technical ability to make us play to the ability we are capable of.

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