Does Cahill hold us back

[kenada_blue]

Potatoe/potartoe

I'd like to see him playing alongside Beckford again, IF he can hit some form....Becks really started to settle in well towards the end of last season, when tiny couldn't seem to find any fitness or form. Reckon we've not seen the best of them yet, and Tim can win plenty of flick ons for Becks to run onto....on paper it should work better than we've seen it doing so far. Maybe

Beckford needs a player that can open the doors and feed him through the back of the defence....Cahill doesnt do that.

We generally by-pass Beckford and aim for Cahill than thread Beckford in.

 

[Topblue]

The problem is that Moyes clearly has the same opinion.

I know as much about football qs moyes. ill take that and run.

 

[RFUS]

didn't someone on here previously post the stats of him in and out of the team and it was proven we were much better with him in?

Also hasn't he out scored all of our strikers in the last two seasons?

Ok so sometimes he drifts through a game but when he is involved he is invaluable to say the least. I think sometimes the problem is where to play him and where he would be most affective.

Last season says differently. He played non stop in the first half of the season and we were flirting with relegation.

He spent most of the second half of the season on international duty and injured on the bench, and we climbed to 7th.

Again I wouldn't say Cahill himself was the sole factor. It was more about what his absence meant for other players, and the new formations we tried. For example Ossie really came into his own and proved to be an invaluable creative asset.

But do have to admit you're on to something there. I don't think any player should be an automatic pick, all depends on form and the opposition that week. What works well at the Emirates isn't necessarily going to at the Brittania

That is my point in a nutshell, mate. Your defensive players aside, no players should really be automatic picks for every game.

 

[Dom1878]

Last season says differently. He played non stop in the first half of the season and we were flirting with relegation.

He spent most of the second half of the season on international duty and injured on the bench, and we climbed to 7th.

Again I wouldn't say Cahill himself was the sole factor. It was more about what his absence meant for other players, and the new formations we tried. For example Ossie really came into his own and proved to be an invaluable creative asset.



That is my point in a nutshell, mate. Your defensive players aside, no players should really be automatic picks for every game.

But if it wasnt for his goals we would have been even further down surely? I agree Moyes needs to rotate more, and experiment, but he is a vital part of the team, and he is our main goal threat, more than any striker we have.

IMO it would be better sticking him upfront, leaving Bily or Osman in the centre therefore making our midfield much more creative, and putting our best scorer as our striker.

 

[VaguelyBrown]

That is my point in a nutshell, mate. Your defensive players aside, no players should really be automatic picks for every game.

Which is exactly why I haven't submitted an answer to the poll! I find the question flawed (with respect of course Sperlz mate )

Should be "should Cahil start every game, regardless of opposition, even if he's crocked?" imho

 

[sperlz]

But if it wasnt for his goals we would have been even further down surely? I agree Moyes needs to rotate more, and experiment, but he is a vital part of the team, and he is our main goal threat, more than any striker we have.

IMO it would be better sticking him upfront, leaving Bily or Osman in the centre therefore making our midfield much more creative, and putting our best scorer as our striker.

This is the problem, you talk about his goals but he was the only one scoring because all game the tactic was to find him in the box. When he doesn't play we are more fluid and look for other options which is why we suddenly start to see other players score and as a team we score more goals.

I would prefer to see Everton score 20 goals in 12 games and Cahill score none, than seeing Everton score 12 goals in 12 games and Cahill getting 10.

 

[kenada_blue]

But if it wasnt for his goals we would have been even further down surely? I agree Moyes needs to rotate more, and experiment, but he is a vital part of the team, and he is our main goal threat, more than any striker we have.

IMO it would be better sticking him upfront, leaving Bily or Osman in the centre therefore making our midfield much more creative, and putting our best scorer as our striker.

But also, if he wasnt playing and Osman was, would've we been in the same form at the start of the season like we were at the end?

Ifs, buts, and maybes.

Last season, and others, Moyes generally waits and waits hoping for things to just "click". He eventually had to change things up due to injuries and Cahill going away...the system changed, we won games.

It was said a lot he needs to set out his team in relation to who we're playing against rather than hoping the game plan works out, then having no plan B.

Backing up previous posts...but its always been down to Moyes to improve tactically.

 

[Dom1878]

This is the problem, you talk about his goals but he was the only one scoring because all game the tactic was to find him in the box. When he doesn't play we are more fluid and look for other options which is why we suddenly start to see other players score and as a team we score more goals.

I would prefer to see Everton score 20 goals in 12 games and Cahill score none, than seeing Everton score 12 goals and Cahill getting 10.

The thing is, just thinking about it, we play like that because its the only way we can. Even without Cahill we do kinda play the same stuff. If we want to be more creative, we need a winger with pace and a winger with skill.

 

[Dom1878]

But also, if he wasnt playing and Osman was, would've we been in the same form at the start of the season like we were at the end?

Ifs, buts, and maybes.

Last season, and others, Moyes generally waits and waits hoping for things to just "click". He eventually had to change things up due to injuries and Cahill going away...the system changed, we won games.

It was said a lot he needs to set out his team in relation to who we're playing against rather than hoping the game plan works out, then having no plan B.

Backing up previous posts...but its always been down to Moyes to improve tactically.

Well yeah i think Cahill is vital, but yeah we should rotate and try different things, because we do play the same thing week in week out, but is that down to Cahill? I honestly dont think so, i just think thats how Moyes likes to play.

 

[Tubey]

He's a limited footballer, but an effective one. In certain games he's a potent weapon, but there are certain games where he's a liability as he restricts us badly.

Tim Cahill doesn't hold us back, it's the manager and the way he utilises him even when half fit that does.

 

[RFUS]

But if it wasnt for his goals we would have been even further down surely? I agree Moyes needs to rotate more, and experiment, but he is a vital part of the team, and he is our main goal threat, more than any striker we have.

IMO it would be better sticking him upfront, leaving Bily or Osman in the centre therefore making our midfield much more creative, and putting our best scorer as our striker.

If Cahill hadn't played those games we wouldn't have been playing with 10 men or something ffs.

Who's to say someone else wouldn't have scored them? We certainly managed to score without him.

I think people put too much weight into statistics without applying context, really.

 

[chicoazul]

Cahill shouldn't be an automatic starter this season but that will depend on the form of the strikers. When Saha played just behind Beckford we look excellent at times.

There are some games when you need a Cahill constantly annoying their center halves though and of course his excellent goal threat.

 

[RFUS]

Cahill shouldn't be an automatic starter this season but that will depend on the form of the strikers. When Saha played just behind Beckford we look excellent at times.

There are some games when you need a Cahill constantly annoying their center halves though and of course his excellent goal threat.

I don't know why I'm still talking at this point because I'm going in circles, but yes, this.

There is no set formation and lineup for every single game. Or at least there shouldn't be, because the opposition changes every week. Sometimes Cahill is perfect for the task at hand and sometimes he isn't. And sometimes he isn't even fit enough to play. In the last two cases he therefore should not play, but usually does. That is my problem with Moyes where Cahill is concerned.

 

[BlueTornado]

voted yes but there should be a 'sometimes' option... cahill and the system we use when hes playing is quality against some opposition, and useless against others. I would say its the one dimensional tactics that are sometimes used that hold us back more than any one player...

 

[heatmeiser]

Confusing poll, seeing as the poll question is opposite to the thread title.

Herp.