Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Barnfred 55]

10% of of those who have been fully vaccinated will become seriously ill with coronavirus, that equates to millions of people swamping and overwhelming the NHS, again. The NHS was in a perilous position to deal with any national emergency pre pandemic it's on it knees now 15 months of pandemic and it's lock downs and huge waiting lists. Alas our health and social care is in a worse position now than ever before.

Ha ha.

Where have you got that nonsense from? Go on, I bet you read somewhere that people who are fully vaccinated will be 90% protected against serious illness, and your warped mind has flipped that on it's head so that it means 10% will become seriously ill.

lol lol lol lol lol lol

 

[roydo]

Ha ha.

Where have you got that nonsense from? Go on, I bet you read somewhere that people who are fully vaccinated will be 90% protected against serious illness, and your warped mind has flipped that on it's head so that it means 10% will become seriously ill.

lol lol lol lol lol lol

Its a strange statistical take, and no mistake.

 

[Paris]

10% of of those who have been fully vaccinated will become seriously ill with coronavirus, that equates to millions of people swamping and overwhelming the NHS, again. The NHS was in a perilous position to deal with any national emergency pre pandemic it's on it knees now 15 months of pandemic and it's lock downs and huge waiting lists. Alas our health and social care is in a worse position now than ever before.

I know that you live in an opposite land, where dogs walk people and 'Mad World' - Gary Jules is an upbeat song, but that's ridiculous even for your standards.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Stats don't always tell the full story Legs.

The weekly ONS survey testing doesn't show a great increase in infection rates, apart from in Scotland. Most of the rises in infection around the country can be linked to the Indian variant, and those worst hit have been targeted with surge testing. Firstly, it's reasonable to assume that if you are testing in the correct area's, and in the right way (these are being carried out by the army), then the testing will uncover significant numbers of positive samples, many of which will also be asymptomatic. There's also evidence over the last week that this surge testing is starting to win battles with the 3 most prominent areas effected by the Indian variant, Bolton, Bedford and Glasgow, all seeing infection rates plateau and start to fall. Another badly hit area, Blackburn, has seen a significant slow down too.

Infection rate is still continuing to rise in other areas of Scotland, Lancashire, West Yorkshire and the East Midlands, and to a lesser degree in some area's of the South East, but if they apply the same tactics in those areas I'm confident they can keep a lid on it. I hate to say it, and some on here may not like it, but Boris's wackamole may actually be working. There are 2 factors all the areas of concern have in common. One is the take up of vaccines is significantly less than the national average, and the second is that there are communities where a large percentage of multi generation high occupancy living conditions. Some areas, such as Sefton who showed early signs of problems with the new variant, have practically erased the problem now and I believe that is down to not having the two factors mentioned above.

I honestly believe that the majority of the country will be Ok with this Indian variant because of the high level of vaccination take up and lower density of housing occupation. The Kent variant is already well and truly beaten.

Yeah, as I said I am hoping that it is a distortion due to surge testing and Bolton’s recent improvement with surge testing/vaccination looks particularly encouraging.

I’m a bit more cautious than you and given how case numbers can fluctuate want some additional reassurance with stable hospitalization rates which hopefully will be forthcoming during the week.

Cross fingers the crowds at Twickenham are also a reflection of widespread vaccine uptake of under 30s across the country as one dose really does seem to give a decent dent transmission rates.

 

[MikeH72]

It’s not looking great for the lockdown ultras in here today.

 

[tsubaki]

4 people in Bolton ICU had had both jabs? So that’s 4 out of 40 people, and it wasn’t specified if they were admitted to ICU with Covid rather than a stroke or heart attack or something?

Consider me unconvinced by the scare stories.

"Scare stories"? I don't know if you've noticed, but we have had nearly 130,000 dead. We urgently as a society need to start treating this with the seriousness it deserves, otherwise we might well end up in the same place we've already twice been to before.

 

[tsubaki]

They’re always going to be in the firing line mate, as this things never going away.

This week it’s the Indian Variant, there’s now another one Thailand, which is supposed to be a mix of the Kent and Indian variant and even more potent.

No doubt, it’ll find its way over here and the press will be all over it like a bumming mongrel.

We can’t just keep locking down the country every time a new one “ pops “ up, as it surely will.

No, we can't - the problem with what you are saying is that we will inevitably end up back in a lockdown because the government (still) has no effective means of quickly identifying and suppressing clusters when they appear.

That is what we've got to have; its what should have been put in place during the first lockdown. Tens of thousands of people need not have died if they had done so.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Hope that these scenes get as much if not more publicity as the antivaccination protests did.

 

[Mrk]

This is so brilliant to see. Easy to forget sometimes just how much of a miracle the vaccine development and deployment has been (not just here, but elsewhere too).

 

[grandjoeblue]

No, we can't - the problem with what you are saying is that we will inevitably end up back in a lockdown because the government (still) has no effective means of quickly identifying and suppressing clusters when they appear.

That is what we've got to have; its what should have been put in place during the first lockdown. Tens of thousands of people need not have died if they had done so.

I can't stand them but they're definitely doing much better with variants. Done alright in Sefton for example.

 

[MikeH72]

"Scare stories"? I don't know if you've noticed, but we have had nearly 130,000 dead. We urgently as a society need to start treating this with the seriousness it deserves, otherwise we might well end up in the same place we've already twice been to before.

See you’re doing it again, using a big number to try and make the crisis look (currently) worse than it is. 127,000 people have died in total in the past 15 months within 28 days of a positive test. On average about 8 people a week are dying within 28 days of a positive test as it stands right now.

I’d say the fact that millions of people are getting vaccinated every day suggest we are treating it with seriousness. What is your suggestion, lock ourselves in our houses until there are 0 cases? Would that be serious enough?

 

[tsubaki]

See you’re doing it again, using a big number to try and make the crisis look (currently) worse than it is. 127,000 people have died in total in the past 15 months within 28 days of a positive test. On average about 8 people a week are dying within 28 days of a positive test as it stands right now.

I’d say the fact that millions of people are getting vaccinated every day suggest we are treating it with seriousness. What is your suggestion, lock ourselves in our houses until there are 0 cases? Would that be serious enough?

Did I suggest that?

I have said throughout this crisis that without having a proper system to detect and contain outbreaks that the government end up with no other option than lockdown when something unusual or unexpected comes along, and the government loses control of it. That is what happened in the last few months of last year. We still do not have such a system, and as far as I can see we have no intent to come up with one even though every bit of comparative evidence we have from this crisis shows how useful they are.

This is the opposite of calling for a lockdown. I want this country to never have to lock down ever again.

 

[Barnfred 55]

I can't stand them but they're definitely doing much better with variants. Done alright in Sefton for example.

Surge testing has also turned it around in the worst effected areas like Bolton and Bedford too. Infections in Blackburn slowing down too.

 

[Neiler]

If the hospital stats stay down then see no reason not to open up properly.

This is what matters.



Not this.

I appreciate that it's difficult to adapt, given we've been crazy scared about case numbers for the past year but what matters now is hospitalisations and deaths. Both of which are so low at the moment and that's only likely to get better with each jab.

But that’s not all linear could be anything from 2 -4 weeks for infection numbers to turn into hospital numbers. Not saying hospitalisations will increase, but comparing day to day to hospitlation figures on the same day, isn’t always reflective.

 

[Neiler]