Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[DrEFC]

You may be right, but at this moment in time we simply do not know. Sweden may have saved its economy and they may also save lives if the second wave comes. No one knows at this time, unless of course you do......

Pete, I think you're a bit long in the tooth for sark, no I'm not an epidemiologist nor an economist, but I can at least critically appraise data, and liase with my fellow Doctors around the world.
What Sweden may and may, of done is not born out of the death rates, and the economy currently in Sverige. The difference between competent and incompetent/malicious governments is stark.

 

[RAFUH]

A single doctor who uses Tik Tok to get his message out. Hardly a critical mass.

FFS, can you get anymore desperate?

Look, you advised a poster to cast off protective equipment in public settings where many people gather.

Just accept that that advice cant gain weight by links to a couple of doctors who are - understandably - seeking to make sure PPE of any description is preserved for the medical teams treating people.

Soz Dave you‘re wrong on this. Gloves are mostly pointless outside the medical setting.

Glove use is to prevent infection via blood or body fluids. Respiratory droplets don’t fall in this category

 

[DrEFC]

It's always interesting to see the cautious 'lets wait and see' approach applied to human life vs the confident 'we must act now' approach when applied to the economy.

Very. Much. This.

 

[Barnfred 55]

I can imagine you wearing a 3 billboards mask a giff from @Bungle awaits

Why are you talking to yourself Joey

 

[COYBL25]

Soz Dave you‘re wrong on this. Gloves are mostly pointless outside the medical setting.

Glove use is to prevent infection via blood or body fluids. Respiratory droplets don’t fall in this category

Seems to be a pattern emerging here

 

[DrEFC]

Well we have many more ventilators and ICU beds, plus they have this new breathing apparatus that the Formula 1 guys help develop. Then there is the much increased testing capabilities. Then there is the new TTI system being introduced. Plus the plans to quarantine new arrivals to the UK. They will have had time to buildup stocks of the right type of PPE and there will be better protection of the care homes. Also the most at risk have already been identified and isolated

This should of been done in January, early Feb.

 

[Brennan]

A single doctor who uses Tik Tok to get his message out. Hardly a critical mass.

FFS, can you get anymore desperate?

Look, you advised a poster to cast off protective equipment in public settings where many people gather.

Just accept that that advice cant gain weight by links to a couple of doctors who are - understandably - seeking to make sure PPE of any description is preserved for the medical teams treating people.

Soz Dave you‘re wrong on this. Gloves are mostly pointless outside the medical setting.

Glove use is to prevent infection via blood or body fluids. Respiratory droplets don’t fall in this category

The prosecution rests.

Here’s a picture from your friends at the China loving WHO:



Honestly, you’re making yourself look a right nob every time you talk about Coronavirus. This isn’t your game.

 

[DrEFC]

Don’t need a big stick. Can just undo my trousers. That keeps the buggers 50m back.

Does it smell that bad? I know a GUM consultant?

 

[Joey66]

Why are you talking to yourself Joey

It helps when you have been in lockdown.... lol

 

[Jebus_lives]

A single doctor who uses Tik Tok to get his message out. Hardly a critical mass.

FFS, can you get anymore desperate?

Look, you advised a poster to cast off protective equipment in public settings where many people gather.

Just accept that that advice cant gain weight by links to a couple of doctors who are - understandably - seeking to make sure PPE of any description is preserved for the medical teams treating people.

@Nymzee @davek @Brennan There isn't a great deal of advice to say you shouldn't wear gloves, but there is advice to recommend that you don't, but rather maintain good hand hygiene.

Gloves, while they provide a barrier, are still a surface where you can become infected or transmit from - particularly to your face or mouth. So regular hand washing is preferred to prevent that. People wrongly assume that a glove provides greater protection when largely it doesn't.

The glove itself is only as good as not touching your face with the glove. If you don't follow good hygiene practice while disposing of them and after using them, then it's a bit pointless.

Over and above a Dr on Tik Tok here's some more advice:

 

[Joey66]

The prosecution rests.

Here’s a picture from your friends at the China loving WHO:

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Honestly, you’re making yourself look a right nob every time you talk about Coronavirus. This isn’t your game.

I sprayed chemicals I never dreamt of rubbing my face while needing protection with the rubber gloves ...... commonsense .....
just like pushing a shopping trolley without gloves thats been used by maybe an infected covid person, and rubbing your face in the shop......

 

[DrEFC]

I RT that earlier, but there was already an epidemiological model during Wuhan lockdown to suggest they'd of reduced (95%?) of deaths if instigated 2 weeks earlier. That was in February- I wish I could find it again.

 

[DrEFC]

But his point is that we could have locked down 2 weeks earlier and saved even more lives. In fact if we had locked down 2 months earlier there would be far fewer deaths. But of course we didn’t really know did we, even people on here were saying it’s just a cold/flu, and that’s the rub isn’t it, at what point do you decide to close your economy and potentially put millions out of work. If the government closed everywhere down and very few actually died, then the same people would be saying they overreacted and put people on the dole. The government may have got it wrong, but who within the U.K. was saying anything different at the time ?.....

You do understand that early lock down, fewer cases and less spread of the virus means the country opens up again sooner? Plenty of epidemiologists and virologists were looking in horror at China, then at Italy and witnessed the successes of other countries.
Ample time, an Island with easily controllable borders, and witnessed it travelling from East to West.... is the penny dropping yet?

 

[Barnfred 55]

This should of been done in January, early Feb.

Impossible to argue with that. History will show that we were complacent in believing that the virus will pass us by like previous ones.

Having said that do you really believe a Labour government would have acted differently? I don't recall anybody calling the government out over it that early on. Nor anybody in here for that matter.

And just say the government did all that and spent billions on it, and the virus didn't become a pandemic, then they would have been absolutely slaughtered for wasting money. Some numpties have already criticised them over the Nightingale hospitals.

But yes. You are correct that a good government would have anticipated all this.

But the good news is that this is now all in place, or will be in time to deal with a second outbreak, which was the question that I originally responded to.

The only person on here who frequently warned of this was Adam, our TV guy, and he was ridiculed so much I don't think he's been on here for ages. The same people ridiculing him are now calling for government heads to roll. Hindsight hey!!

 

[DrEFC]

It's free here in France for anyone over 60.

It's free in the UK to the elderly, asthmatics and pregnant women.