Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[davek]

You were actively encouraging people break the lockdown Dave. You're in a bloody great glass house.

Was I?

 

[tsubaki]

The way I see it, they've sought to suppress it to allow the NHS to cope. At some stage, they need to begin easing the lockdown, don't they?

They were always going to ease lockdown gradually and in stages.

It was always going to be conditional and reactive to what's happening.

What did people expect? Lockdown until a possible vaccine? Or one day the whole UK would just go back to how it was?

If the government are wrong, what else should they do? People say "stay locked down for a bit longer", but until when? What are you measuring?

It also seems the people who were screaming "Europe is locking down, its a disgrace the UK isn't!" aren't now saying Europe should be followed in easing the lock down.

No one said we should lock down until a vaccine is found, but the vast majority of sensible people said there had to be certain conditions met before reopening.

The most vital of these is contact tracing and an effective test regime, which will give PHE the means to identify clusters before they can spread too far and infect too many people. That needs an effective app, people to trace and people to visit and check / do tests.

We do not have this yet, which means PHE will only be able to recommend lockdown starting again based on data they do have - which will probably be hospital admission rates. Doing that will mean delays of 8-10 days from infection to admission, which will put us back to the point we were around March 20th (ie: about to watch another 30000 people die).

Opening up before we have this is criminally negligent.

 

[davek]

Really? I am just trying to conjure up what you might have been saying at this stage had the police and army really been patrolling the streets...

I'd have been saying this...

https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/coronavirus-thread-serious-stuff.109382/page-2030#post-7809105

No response then?

Funny that.

 

[whiteshadow]

Can you explain to me how labour put the country in debt please?

 

[peteblue]

Should never have been announced at 7PM on a Sunday night. Utterly shambolic decision. Apparently public transport in and around London was rammed this morning. You can bet that the same thing happened in all major cities in England.

They should have got the detail defined and released to the public and employers a week in advance, not 12 hours and in such a wooly, confusing manner.

He trailed it last night, he will give the detail today and it doesn’t start until Wednesday. I think a collective madness is overtaking the country where everyone wants everything now and then deliberately or otherwise either refuses to believe or understand what is said. We don’t need the Russians to create false news and propaganda, we are currently doing it to ourselves.......

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Was I?

Yes, I provided the quote last night. Don't be silly Dave.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

It’s the constant miss communication that is the issue.

From first lockdown to this they are failing to communicate what rules they want the public to follow.

Seems obvious to me mate?




As I said, it was always going to be lifted in stages and conditional - a global pandemic isn't convenient.

But then some are deliberately obtuse, like this MP;

 

[mill]

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That doesn’t explain how labour caused it.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Schools here have been open for the last 4 weeks to allow daycare for children of people still at work. No teachers, but the teaching assistants/supervisors like my girlfriend are there in masks. The head teacher told her not to even bother trying to keep a bunch of 6 year olds apart. Just keep washing your hands and wear a mask.

Good grief schools can't manage a head lice outbreak let alone a child with possible COVID19 being asymptomatic...

 

[Kurt.]

 

[davek]

Police across the UK have had a nightmare bank holiday weekend trying to police the lockdown, particularly in tourism hotspots — and are now frantically trying to work out what the relaxation of restrictions means for enforcement.

In Cumbria, more than 100 fines were dished out from Friday to Sunday, assistant chief constable Andrew Slattery told the Guardian. “That’s more than we have issued in the entire rest of the lockdown period,” he said.

“That comes down to a number of factors. One, I’m sad to say, is the newspaper headlines on Thursday last week, which very much gave the impression that lockdown was over and set the tone for the weekend. Then we had the hot weather and VE day on Friday, a lot of street parties and people drinking in the street. Our number of incidents doubled on Friday. Then into the weekend we had a large number of people who decided lockdown no longer applied and that they were free to drive the length and breadth of the country and had spurious reasons for doing so.”

He said his force was trying to work out what Boris Johnson’s “soundbite” meant for policing, when the prime minister told the nation on Sunday: “You can sit in the sun in your local park, you can drive to other destinations, you can even play sports but only with members of your own household.”

 

[Brennan]

And here it is, common sense police are at the ready, stay alert, the face make mask will now become essential after previously being useless...

Im not sure what you mean, as I said nothing about face masks.

 

[ToffeeTim]

The way I see it, they've sought to suppress it to allow the NHS to cope. At some stage, they need to begin easing the lockdown, don't they?

They were always going to ease lockdown gradually and in stages.

It was always going to be conditional and reactive to what's happening.

What did people expect? Lockdown until a possible vaccine? Or one day the whole UK would just go back to how it was?

If the government are wrong, what else should they do? People say "stay locked down for a bit longer", but until when? What are you measuring?

It also seems the people who were screaming "Europe is locking down, its a disgrace the UK isn't!" aren't now saying Europe should be followed in easing the lock down.

100%.

The only things the government have said could now be done are things I've seen people doing for weeks. Maybe the allowance to travel a distance is the only substantive change.

People say the stay at home message needs to be retained, but people are out and about all the time over the last few weeks.

We needed this period of restrictions imo, but we need to move forward to gradually relaxing things. We can't stay in this situation for the long term or we risk economic hardship on a scale not seen in generations. The problem is we need proper details and guidance from the government today and I'm not sure we'll get them.

There are no easy answers or perfect solutions to this horrible disease.

 

[davek]

Financial institutions placing great pressure on the Butcher Government to make sure they aren't left holding the can for billions in loans (HM Government stated they'd *only* cover 80% of defaults).

Profits over lives.

 

[tsubaki]

100%.

The only things the government have said could now be done are things I've seen people doing for weeks. Maybe the allowance to travel a distance is the only substantive change.

People say the stay at home message needs to be retained, but people are out and about all the time over the last few weeks.

We need to move forward to gradually relaxing things. We can't stay in this situation for the long term or we risk economic hardship on a scale not seen in generations. The problem is we need proper details from the government today and I'm not sure we'll get them.

There are no easy answers or perfect solutions to this horrible disease.

Doing what they are about to do will make it vastly more likely that they’ll have to lock us down again, though.