Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[whiteshadow]

That doesn’t explain how labour caused it.

Through spending money and increasing national debt.

Can't make it any more simple than that. If you don't understand the graph, not sure there is much I can do to help you.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Im not sure what you mean, as I said nothing about face masks.

Rest assured you will later, it will be part of the personal responsibility mantra by day's end.

 

[mill]

Through spending money and increasing national debt.

Can't make it any more simple than that. If you don't understand the graph, not sure there is much I can do to help you.

Why do you think they increased spending over that period?

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

He trailed it last night, he will give the detail today and it doesn’t start until Wednesday. I think a collective madness is overtaking the country where everyone wants everything now and then deliberately or otherwise either refuses to believe or understand what is said. We don’t need the Russians to create false news and propaganda, we are currently doing it to ourselves.......

The message was unclear and confusing - so a lot of people who can't work from home decided to goto work today on the basis of that speech last night. It was naive and shambolic from the government.

 

[Brennan]

Rest assured you will later, it will be part of the personal responsibility mantra by day's end.

Right...

 

[micknick]

Seems obvious to me mate?


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As I said, it was always going to be lifted in stages and conditional - a global pandemic isn't convenient.

But then some are deliberately obtuse, like this MP;

If I was a teacher...

* 4 year olds can go to school but university students who have paid for their tuition and the accommodation that they aren’t living in, can’t go back to university.

* I can go to school with many 4 year olds that I’m not related to but can’t see one 4 year old that I am related to.

* I can sit in a park, but not tomorrow or Tuesday but by Wednesday that’ll be fine.

* I can meet one person from another household for a chat or to sunbathe but not two people so if I know two people from another household I have to pick my favourite. Hopefully, I’m also their favourite person from my household or this could be awkward. But possibly I’m not. In fact, thinking about it, I definitely wouldn’t be. But as I can’t go closer than 2m to the one I choose anyway so you wouldn’t think having the other one sat next to them would matter - unless two people would restrict my eyeline too much and prevent me from being alert.

* I can work all day with my colleagues but I can’t sit in their garden for a chat after work.

* I can now do unlimited exercise when quite frankly just doing an hour a day felt like I was some kind of fitness guru. I can think of lots of things that I would like to be unlimited but exercise definitely isn’t one of them.

* I can drive to other destinations although which destinations is unclear. I was supposed to be in Brighton this weekend. Can I drive there? It’s hundreds of miles away but no one has said that’s wrong.

* The buses are still running past my house but I shouldn’t get on one. We should just let empty buses drive around so bus drivers aren’t doing nothing.

* It will soon be time to quarantine people coming into the country by air... but not yet. It’s too soon. And not ever if you’re coming from France because... well, I don’t do know why, actually. Because the French version of coronavirus wouldn’t come to the UK maybe.

* Our youngest children go back to school first because... they are notoriously good at not touching things they shouldn’t, maintain personal space at all times and never randomly lick you.

* We are somewhere in between 3.5 and 4.5 on a five point scale where 5 is all of the virus and 1 is none of the virus but 2,3 and 4 can be anything you’d like it to be really. Some of the virus? A bit of the virus? Just enough virus to see off those over 70s who were told to self isolate but now we’ve realised that they’ve done that a bit too well despite us offloading coronavirus patients into care homes and now we are claiming that was never said in the first place, even though it’s in writing in the stay at home guidance.

* The slogan isn’t stay at home any more.So we don’t have to say at home. Except we do. Unless we can’t. In which case we should go out. But there will be fines if we break the rules. So don’t do that.

Don’t forget...

Stay alert... which Robert Jenrick has explained actually means Stay home as much as possible. Obviously.

Control the virus. Well, I can’t even control my dogs and I can actually see them. Plus I know a bit about dogs and very little about controlling viruses.
Save lives. Always preferable to not saving lives, I’d say, so I’ll try my best with that one, although hopefully I don’t need telling to do that. I know I’m bragging now but not NOT saving lives is something I do every day.

So there you are. If you’re the weirdo wanting unlimited exercise then enjoy. But not until Wednesday. Obviously.

 

[ToffeeTim]

The message was unclear and confusing - so a lot of people who can't work from home decided to goto work today on the basis of that speech last night. It was naive and shambolic from the government.

Surely people who hadn't been working only went in today if their employer contacted them and told them to?

If people are on furlough they won't have gone in.

I think the problem with the narrative isn't the encouragement to go back to work. It's the lack of detail on implementing safety in the workplace.

 

[peteblue]

We hear a lot about treating the people as ‘adults’, then as soon as you do they all react and behave like children......

 

[GrandOldTeam]

If I was a teacher...

* 4 year olds can go to school but university students who have paid for their tuition and the accommodation that they aren’t living in, can’t go back to university.

* I can go to school with many 4 year olds that I’m not related to but can’t see one 4 year old that I am related to.

* I can sit in a park, but not tomorrow or Tuesday but by Wednesday that’ll be fine.

* I can meet one person from another household for a chat or to sunbathe but not two people so if I know two people from another household I have to pick my favourite. Hopefully, I’m also their favourite person from my household or this could be awkward. But possibly I’m not. In fact, thinking about it, I definitely wouldn’t be. But as I can’t go closer than 2m to the one I choose anyway so you wouldn’t think having the other one sat next to them would matter - unless two people would restrict my eyeline too much and prevent me from being alert.

* I can work all day with my colleagues but I can’t sit in their garden for a chat after work.

* I can now do unlimited exercise when quite frankly just doing an hour a day felt like I was some kind of fitness guru. I can think of lots of things that I would like to be unlimited but exercise definitely isn’t one of them.

* I can drive to other destinations although which destinations is unclear. I was supposed to be in Brighton this weekend. Can I drive there? It’s hundreds of miles away but no one has said that’s wrong.

* The buses are still running past my house but I shouldn’t get on one. We should just let empty buses drive around so bus drivers aren’t doing nothing.

* It will soon be time to quarantine people coming into the country by air... but not yet. It’s too soon. And not ever if you’re coming from France because... well, I don’t do know why, actually. Because the French version of coronavirus wouldn’t come to the UK maybe.

* Our youngest children go back to school first because... they are notoriously good at not touching things they shouldn’t, maintain personal space at all times and never randomly lick you.

* We are somewhere in between 3.5 and 4.5 on a five point scale where 5 is all of the virus and 1 is none of the virus but 2,3 and 4 can be anything you’d like it to be really. Some of the virus? A bit of the virus? Just enough virus to see off those over 70s who were told to self isolate but now we’ve realised that they’ve done that a bit too well despite us offloading coronavirus patients into care homes and now we are claiming that was never said in the first place, even though it’s in writing in the stay at home guidance.

* The slogan isn’t stay at home any more.So we don’t have to say at home. Except we do. Unless we can’t. In which case we should go out. But there will be fines if we break the rules. So don’t do that.

Don’t forget...

Stay alert... which Robert Jenrick has explained actually means Stay home as much as possible. Obviously.

Control the virus. Well, I can’t even control my dogs and I can actually see them. Plus I know a bit about dogs and very little about controlling viruses.
Save lives. Always preferable to not saving lives, I’d say, so I’ll try my best with that one, although hopefully I don’t need telling to do that. I know I’m bragging now but not NOT saving lives is something I do every day.

So there you are. If you’re the weirdo wanting unlimited exercise then enjoy. But not until Wednesday. Obviously.

It goes back to what I said here though mate;

The way I see it, they've sought to suppress it to allow the NHS to cope. At some stage, they need to begin easing the lockdown, don't they?

They were always going to ease lockdown gradually and in stages.

It was always going to be conditional and reactive to what's happening.

What did people expect? Lockdown until a possible vaccine? Or one day the whole UK would just go back to how it was?

If the government are wrong, what else should they do? People say "stay locked down for a bit longer", but until when? What are you measuring?

It also seems the people who were screaming "Europe is locking down, its a disgrace the UK isn't!" aren't now saying Europe should be followed in easing the lock down.

A lot of it is tribalism and being deliberately obtuse.

There's no perfect solution or fix, but its common sense to me that they'll gradually ease restrictions. Take the first point;

* 4 year olds can go to school but university students who...

4 year olds are dependant/parents who need to go to work.
University students can study remotely.

Will any country allow all schools and all year groups/students to return the same day?! That would seem foolish to me.

 

[davek]

No one said we should lock down until a vaccine is found, but the vast majority of sensible people said there had to be certain conditions met before reopening.

The most vital of these is contact tracing and an effective test regime, which will give PHE the means to identify clusters before they can spread too far and infect too many people. That needs an effective app, people to trace and people to visit and check / do tests.

We do not have this yet, which means PHE will only be able to recommend lockdown starting again based on data they do have - which will probably be hospital admission rates. Doing that will mean delays of 8-10 days from infection to admission, which will put us back to the point we were around March 20th (ie: about to watch another 30000 people die).

Opening up before we have this is criminally negligent.

This.

 

[Nymzee]

So if I go to the park to meet my mate (staying 2m apart), he goes to the park at the same time to see our other mate, he does the same, he does the same. We could just have a mass gathering all spread out where we're only technically in the park to see 1 person which is allowed. Hmm.

 

[davek]

Yes, I provided the quote last night. Don't be silly Dave.

Which one's that?

 

[Kurt.]

100%.

The only things the government have said could now be done are things I've seen people doing for weeks. Maybe the allowance to travel a distance is the only substantive change.

People say the stay at home message needs to be retained, but people are out and about all the time over the last few weeks.

We needed this period of restrictions imo, but we need to move forward to gradually relaxing things. We can't stay in this situation for the long term or we risk economic hardship on a scale not seen in generations. The problem is we need proper details and guidance from the government today and I'm not sure we'll get them.

There are no easy answers or perfect solutions to this horrible disease.

It’s a balls up mate... here in wales the restrictions we’ve had are still in place for 3 weeks yet if you live on the Wirral you can now drive here for your exercise if that’s what you want to do ? It’s not a coherent message from the prime minister at all.... he has only spoken with London in mind ... it’s reckless

 

[Blueclouds]

I do worry sometimes about people’s seeming refusal or inability to accept personal responsibility.

If you cannot work from home and you cannot avoid public transport then you can use public transport. Alternatively you can have discussions with your employer who will in 99% of cases be happy to work with you to find a solution, most likely remaining on furlough. There will of course be difficult cases for individuals but the narrative being spun by some on here and Twitter is that last nights message has plunged society into death and destruction.

Some people are slating the loosening of social distancing as being confusing. Personally I feel you just need to use common sense and take responsibility for your actions.

Go to the garden centre if you have to. Don’t go with anybody else unless you have to. Meet a friend in the park if you have to.

The government cannot answer every individual query or create a perfect set of guidelines for every single scenario that answers every question. It is impossible.

That is not to say that Boris isn’t a scumbag and the Government haven’t made countless errors throughout this process. I just don’t think allowing people to go back to work using their judgement and allowing Sue to buy some compost from Dobbie’s is the end of the world.

Spot on. A person goes back to work on Wednesday and working with colleagues. He or she entitled to meet a close personal friend in the park. The person might have vulnerable parents so wont be meeting them. It's all common sense. We cant keep full lockdown.

I'm not sure what everyone is confused with the latest government changes. It's not rocket science.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

So if I go to the park to meet my mate (staying 2m apart), he goes to the park at the same time to see our other mate, he does the same, he does the same. We could just have a mass gathering all spread out where we're only technically in the park to see 1 person which is allowed. Hmm.

Johnson didn't say I shouldn't jump off a cliff...