Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[anjelikaferrett]

There’s a train of thought that thinks a second wave of the virus will have a worse impact on the economy than a continued lockdown.

I’m sure if you go onto the likes of Facebook you’ll find someone ?

Based on the Spanish flu pandemic of 100 years ago - the second wave was worse and killed far more people

 

[Armaghtoffee]

Unfortunately Steve passed away this morning. Gutted for his immediate family obviously but at the same time suppose it's good he's not in any more pain.

Sorry to hear that mate x

 

[Kenshin]

The numbers arent really dropping though!

Well they are.

Given the numbers are roughly 2 weeks behind, numbers of 400 and 500 are different to 800 and 900

Plus as the testing takes place , the death percentage will drop significantly when you have healthy people coming back negative more and more.

But the bigger point being as I have mentioned weeks ago, the deaths don't matter at all. Not to the scientists tasked with running this. Every case is a death up until last week effectively , if that person recovered then wonderful but it was all statistics . Especially given that cases were only found when someone got to hospital , which is past the point of mild symptoms.

It's the infection rate that matters. And the more tests carried out come back negative , the more we will ease up. Given the number of tests being done now , it will be slow. But once you have tested potentially millions, which could be August time , that's when life will start to be normal again.

 

[Armaghtoffee]

Just to follow on from Bruce graphs earlier, here is the distribution, no of cases and curves per county in Ireland. View attachment 85867

Must have been a helluva night in Carlow.

 

[anjelikaferrett]

Like I said, that is undoubtedly the reality of the situation, but even had Labour won the last election, they aren't going to have a different civil service to play with. They won't be using experts from different universities to model and understand this thing. I don't recall the unions (as an example) campaigning for workplaces to be shut down en masse early in February. They campaigned to ensure people were furloughed or got sick pay or that the self-employed were covered, yes, but not that huge employers should shut to prevent infections. They've pretty much stopped entire train networks in the past due to pay and conditions, yet did no such thing to prevent the spread of the virus.

It's easy to look back and say things would have been different, but I'm just not sure a different government would have made 'that' much difference.

Nut they knew what was coming, they had weeks of news from Italy and Spain. They ignored it. Maybe a different Government would have acted in the same way. Who knows. But the one we have got have hugely messed up. If a plane crashed at a British airport killing between 500 and 700 people every single day. we would be outraged and screaming for answers and asking for accountability. Somebody has to take responsibility. People are dying just going to work- not just NHS and care workers but bus drivers, Border Force people at Heathrow, ( who are being treated shamefully). It is genocide.

 

[Neiler]

Taoiseach tells the Dáil it is 'very possible' that Covid-19 was present in Ireland last year or in early January

Taoiseach: Covid-19 could have been here late last year

The Taoiseach has told the Dáil that Covid-19 could have been circulating in Ireland late last year or in early January this year.

www.rte.ie

 

[anjelikaferrett]

Don’t get how you can call it a fake lockdown when Spain, Italy etc also allowed people to go out and have essential shops to stay open. A full and utter lockdown would have meant people saving money but at the same time starving to death as you can’t really shop when supermarkets/corner shops sell produce with short shelf life

In Italy you could go shopping but you needed a permit that you could download. You could only shop within a 2km radius of your home. You could not go out for exercise. The son of one of my workmates works for Pirelli in Milan. He told me that.

 

[Agent Blue]

Can any Americans here explain why these unqualified "philanthropists" are being allowed these levels of responsibility? Shouldn't it be people with actual medical licenses like doctors etc? And or politicians who have been voted in by the people? Absolutely bizarre that Gates views himself as some sort of voice of experience on this, even more bizarre that people buy it. He can't even protect Windows from a virusView attachment 85896

That is genuinely quite scary.

 

[BrendanGOT]

That is genuinely quite scary.

That was my thoughts.

 

[Armaghtoffee]

But how does unlocking help the care home situation? The NHS hasn't been overwhelmed because the pressure has been on to keep people in care homes and out of ICU.

The lockdown's purpose was to buy some time to get the capacity to test up...because this bungling bunch of murderers had depleted stock by the early part of March and gave up the fight to track and trace.

Yes, the lockdown is hard. But if you;re not going to do anything with unlocking other than to keep industry ticking over it'll lead to a massive second wave. Unlock yes. But do it only when the curve has flattened to where other advanced nations have it before unlocking AND have the capability at that point to take the fight to Covid19.

This all day long.

Science should be driving this not commerce.

 

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Republic's Health Minister sets out ‘all-island approach’ to contact tracing app

“It is my intention that it would of course be available to residents in Northern Ireland through the UK Apple Store."

www.irishnews.com

 

[BrendanGOT]

The North of Ireland has set 3 further weeks onto the lockdown. Said they aren't following Dublin or London. Wonder who's advising them out of curiosity.

 

[ToffeeTim]

The North of Ireland has set 3 further weeks onto the lockdown. Said they aren't following Dublin or London. Wonder who's advising them out of curiosity.

Dont think that's true. We are waiting on the government to announce their plans on Sunday and then Stormont is publishing a plan on monday or Tuesday.

The rules have to be reviewed every three weeks. That doesn't mean they will continue unchanged for 3 weeks. They could be changed at any point.

 

[BrendanGOT]

This all day long.

Science should be driving this not commerce.

It's not about commerce. Just because you and I are OK doesn't mean everyone else is. There are people that rely on schools being open, for some kids it's their only meal. For some kids it's an escape from child abuse. There are people who only have one income and live paycheck to paycheck who have now lost their jobs and probably their homes too and are now living in extreme poverty. There are sick people afraid to go to hospitals for check ups who are dying, infact cancer rates are worryingly down, which suggests people aren't going and getting checked up, hence people will die. People can't escape domestic abuse and will die. People can't leave their home to socialise etc and will become mentally ill and will lead to suicide. It goes beyond commerce. There has to be an alternative to only lockdown or vaccine.

People are so obstinate with this outlook that the economy can just stop and stems from a line of thinking that A) they're OK so they assume everyone else is and B) the economy being shut down only effects the "fat cats".

I'm not disputing the lockdown has saved lives but it's also costing lives and that's before we even start considering the long term implications this is going to have. Agree with me or not the fact is it's not sustainable.

 

[BrendanGOT]

Dont think that's true. We are waiting on the government to announce their plans on Sunday and then Stormont is publishing a plan on monday or Tuesday.

The rules have to be reviewed every three weeks. That doesn't mean they will continue unchanged for 3 weeks. They could be changed at any point.

She had it up on her FB then was on the news for the North there.