Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[ForeverBlue92]

Numbers aren't coming down at all - Forget about any sort of lockdown easing

Begs the question if the numbers are not dropping is it worth damaging the economy even further? I can't see us locking down any stricter so how long do we persist with it in its current form?

I think we are at the point of if it doesnt drop any further over the coming days then we may aswell start opening up smaller businesses and get some people back to work (if it means compulsory face masks in public then so be it).

 

[davek]

That is certainly not my understanding, unless you can point me to some medical papers confirming it that I’ve missed. From what I’ve read, we don’t know anything for certain so it is most definitely worth further investigating and highlighting, not least so those communities are aware of a higher risk.

There is a well established relationship between inequality, ill health, and ethnicity. You wont dispute that? And cultural factors also play a part in transmission of infections.

On the issue of it being worthwhile investigating: I haven't said it isn't. I said that to be consistent you also have to have intra-'white' ethnic testing. I pointed to a disease suffered by some Celtic people in terms of lack iron as an example of that.

 

[davek]

My boss has done a complete about-face...wanting me to start driving up and down the country to see customers from Tuesday. I have refused so (vulnerable Diabetes) so dunno where I stand...

You did right. Bastards.

 

[peteblue]

Have you only got annoyed with Morgan since he started having a go at people that you agree with?

I’ve never liked the man. I don’t watch his shows and I try to avoid articles about him in the press, but it’s almost impossible to do so. Now he’s in here as well .....

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

62% of Britons fear virus more than economic meltdown with seven in 10 backing people who REFUSE to return to work

 

[BrendanGOT]

The fact is that the time was wasted before the virus took hold. But if you want to come out of a lockdown and do what you suggest, you have to not only get the curve flattened right down (the UKs isn't) you have to have a massive track and trace and test system to keep on top of any new outbreak (this country can barely meet 70,000 per day testing).

But wasn't the aim of the lockdown to take expected pressure off the NHS? Pressure they luckily didn't end up seeing to the extent that was forecast. The aim of the lockdown isn't to stop or eliminate the virus as some people are thinking, that would require a severe economy crashing lockdown for God knows how long, it'd be impossible in our current economic system.

Anyways my point is, the hospital admissions and deaths have been steadily declining for a while the big problem seems to be carehomes now. Does that not suggest that the strategy needs changing?

On top of that this lockdown has ruined peoples livelihoods and continues to as time goes on but more importantly it is killing people also from mental illness, domestic abuse and many other health reasons. Not only that but it's depriving the vulnerable and poor. See my article posted earlier, there's literally children starving as they can't go to school. This lockdown is flawed in many ways, short term and long term however people are so scared they don't care about that and the consequences as long as they're OK and safe from the virus while pretending it's because they care for others while completely ignoring the "others" that the lockdowns are effecting.

The Govt need to pull the finger out and find a better solution, one that doesn't also kill people and destroy lives the same as the virus. Their underfunding of services and their austerity measures are the reason the lockdown happened the way it has and its shouldn't be applauded or accepted as the only measure available. They've blood on their hands, I'll agree with you there, but not just for the virus deaths

 

[davek]

That's pretty much my point. You have, understandably, reacted very defensively should anyone criticise what you are doing. How can anyone possibly do that? They don't know you. They don't know your circumstances. Yet you read tidbits in newspapers and rip to shreds the efforts of those who, almost without question, are busting their arse trying to tackle thing thing. What's more, you go as far as to suggest they are deliberately murdering people.

We've spoken above about the risk to ethnic minorities. Probably 90% of my wife's team are of African or Caribbean descent, and they're scared shitless at the moment, to the extent that even with a full dose of PPE, they're refusing to physically visit families where children are at risk, there's domestic violence going on, the families are struggling to find any food to eat, or any number of other shitty situations that form part of the statistics people slather over each day. Behind every one of those statistics sits a story of these kind of complexities that people rip apart from behind their computer. You think that's right?

Neither of us are knowing victory nor defeat in all this, which prompts me to keep my mouth shut. Maybe you should do likewise.

I haven't acted 'defensively', I've reacted with justifiable indignation at someone implying that I want thousands dead just to complain about this government. That was a numb nuts comment if ever there was, so please dont skate over that appalling slur of yours.

And your holding up this government as people who are busting a gut to stop the virus is a piece of Orwellian nonsense. Am I (or others) supposed to be grateful to a class of people who have made this crisis ten times worse than it should have been? As said, your agenda (to reach for one of the 'neutralising' comments you like to use) seems to be to offer an apology for their inaction to prevent the severity of the virus AND to get on top of the crisis in terms of testing and safety gear for health and care workers.

And lastly, this cat thrown on the table of yours of me supposedly underestimating the contribution of BAME workers in the heath service: another utter 'kin disgrace of a tactic by you to muddy the waters. Please provide some evidence (ANY EVIDENCE) of my doing that.

In short: dont try and take the piss mate. I've got the weight of you and what you're attempting to do on here.

Oh, and you never did address wtf it is that you're actually are doing to make a positive contribution to society over this crisis. Funnily enough.

 

[Brisan123]

It`s the lying and misinformation afterwards that lands squarely on the shoulders of the CCP.

Imagine how much further on the world would be right now with this virus and how many people would still be alive, if they`d be truthful from day one and hadn`t try to cover it up and then downplay it.

That is on them.

No amount of hand wringing and playing the race card will change that.

Left yourself wide open for a @Joey66 attack there lol

 

[ForeverBlue92]

62% of Britons fear virus more than economic meltdown with seven in 10 backing people who REFUSE to return to work

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Be interesting to see who was asked the question - if it was those aged 50+ who are retired then you can see why but I doubt most working aged self employed that are likely not as financially secure and have mortgages/rent to pay with little savings feel that way.

I also think alot of lazy types are more than happy to be furloughed at 80% as some folk are treating lockdown as a summer holiday. Once Boris turns off the taps see how long they are happy out of work for then when they are getting sod all every month!

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

Be interesting to see who was asked the question - if it was those aged 50+ who are retired then you can see why but I doubt most working aged self employed that are likely not as financially secure and have mortgages/rent to pay with little savings feel that way.

I also think alot of lazy types are more than happy to be furloughed at 80% as some folk are treating lockdown as a summer holiday

I should confess, it was done by the Daily Mail mate.

 

[mill]

One thing occurs to me - men are more likely than women to suffer from this virus, and black & ethnic minorities apparently suffer more than white people; since so many teams in the Prem have black players, surely these players are greatly at risk? Is it fair to expose them to this danger?

A big part of the difference is socio-economic so I’m sure that won’t necessarily be a factor!

 

[peteblue]

60% of those who voted on here said they wouldn't upload the NHS TTI app. Not many have voted to be fair so I'm not sure if that's an accurate reflection on GOT members, or even whether GOT membership is a fair reflection of the UK.

But looked at in isolation it doesn't look good as an effective tool to be used as part of an overall TTI strategy. Yet many people on here frequently refer to South Korea as a country we should be looking to for ideas

GOT membership has rarely followed UK opinion. It has got every election wrong and also the referendum. About the only thing that we all agree on is that the League should be cancelled.....

 

[zzr45]

There is a well established relationship between inequality, ill health, and ethnicity. You wont dispute that? And cultural factors also play a part in transmission of infections.

On the issue of it being worthwhile investigating: I haven't said it isn't. I said that to be consistent you also have to have intra-'white' ethnic testing. I pointed to a disease suffered by some Celtic people in terms of lack iron as an example of that.

Again, this seems like it something that been forgotten from right at the start of the spread of the virus. The virus attaches itself to ACE receptors within the lungs. South Asians have a higher frequency and they are also expressed more in black females. https://warwick.ac.uk/fac/sci/med/staff/cappuccio/publications/jhypert99whssaceid.pdf

 

[davek]

But wasn't the aim of the lockdown to take expected pressure off the NHS? Pressure they luckily didn't end up seeing to the extent that was forecast. The aim of the lockdown isn't to stop or eliminate the virus as some people are thinking, that would require a severe economy crashing lockdown for God knows how long, it'd be impossible in our current economic system.

Anyways my point is, the hospital admissions and deaths have been steadily declining for a while the big problem seems to be carehomes now. Does that not suggest that the strategy needs changing?

On top of that this lockdown has ruined peoples livelihoods and continues to as time goes on but more importantly it is killing people also from mental illness, domestic abuse and many other health reasons. Not only that but it's depriving the vulnerable and poor. See my article posted earlier, there's literally children starving as they can't go to school. This lockdown is flawed in many ways, short term and long term however people are so scared they don't care about that and the consequences as long as they're OK and safe from the virus while pretending it's because they care for others while completely ignoring the "others" that the lockdowns are effecting.

The Govt need to pull the finger out and find a better solution, one that doesn't also kill people and destroy lives the same as the virus. Their underfunding of services and their austerity measures are the reason the lockdown happened the way it has and its shouldn't be applauded or accepted as the only measure available. They've blood on their hands, I'll agree with you there, but not just for the virus deaths

But how does unlocking help the care home situation? The NHS hasn't been overwhelmed because the pressure has been on to keep people in care homes and out of ICU.

The lockdown's purpose was to buy some time to get the capacity to test up...because this bungling bunch of murderers had depleted stock by the early part of March and gave up the fight to track and trace.

Yes, the lockdown is hard. But if you;re not going to do anything with unlocking other than to keep industry ticking over it'll lead to a massive second wave. Unlock yes. But do it only when the curve has flattened to where other advanced nations have it before unlocking AND have the capability at that point to take the fight to Covid19.

 

[Brisan123]

Lloyd George was far worse than him
He makes today’s errant politicians look like choirboys

It never stopped him doing a good job so that analogy does not work - even though as days pass I wonder what the hell is going on......... we seem to have gone way off the scale over Covid 19.....

I heard you were in school with Lloyd George @Joey66
Is that so