Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Goat]

The current smoker bit wasn’t as surprising given those reports of nicotine but the high BP also had me going ??????

Fact check: Are smokers at less risk for contracting the coronavirus?

More information is needed after a French study suggested nicotine might play a role in preventing some illness from the coronavirus.

www.usatoday.com

Yeah ive read the smoking thing, but the BP thing is the main thing, we have constantly been told thats very bad.

 

[RAFUH]

This x100

We barely seem to hear anything about potentially antibody testing even though (IMO) it's much more important than this contact tracing rubbish they're obsessed with

Disagree. Still in acute phase and contact tracing is essential to protect the vulnerable and those that care for the vulnerable as well as limiting impact on health care systems.

I don't think we know enough yet about immunity to the virus.

 

[RAFUH]

I think the main problem with the antibody tests is what @RAFUH touched on.

Say you test positive for antibodies, we have no idea how long you are immune for, we have no idea if it protects you from mutations.

So whilst it gives some answers, it opens up more questions.

The reliable bit as well.

It was a bit of a free for all here in the US that let a ton of antibody tests on the market. Quite unreliable with high false positive rates. FDA has pulled most off the market now.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Yeah ive read the smoking thing, but the BP thing is the main thing, we have constantly been told thats very bad.

Not peer reviewed and usual caveats of “just one study” but was a pretty large data size which you’d presume reduces data quirk explanation. Perhaps those with high BP knew were at higher risk so proactively seek treatment earlier? Something else???

Risk factors for COVID-19 death revealed in world’s largest analysis of patient records to date | LSHTM

Academics at the University of Oxford and the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine (LSHTM), working on behalf of NHS England and in partnership with NHSX, have analysed the pseudonymised health data of over 17.4 million UK adults to discover the key factors associated with death from...

www.lshtm.ac.uk

Academics at the University of Oxford and the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine (LSHTM), working on behalf of NHS England and in partnership with NHSX, have analysed the pseudonymised health data of over 17.4 million UK adults to discover the key factors associated with death from COVID-19.

This is the largest study on COVID-19 conducted by any country to date, analysing NHS health data from 17.4 million UK adults between 01 February 2020 and 25 April 2020, which has given the strongest evidence to date on risk factors associated with coronavirus. Among the sample, there were 5,707 deaths in hospitals attributed to COVID-19.

Compared to white people, people of Asian and Black ethnic origin were found to be at a higher risk of death. Previously, commentators and researchers have reasonably speculated that this might be due to higher prevalence of medical problems such as cardiovascular disease or diabetes among BME communities, or higher deprivation. The findings, based on detailed data, show that this only accounts for a small part of the excess risk. Consequently, further work must be done to fully understand why BME people are at such increased risk of death.

Additionally, people from deprived social backgrounds were also found to be at a higher risk of death, which also could not be explained by other risk factors.

Results confirmed that men are at increased risk from COVID-19 death, as well as people of older ages and those with uncontrolled diabetes. People with more severe asthma were also found to be at increased risk of death from COVID-19.

 

[BlueToff]

My dad's cousin (Steve) is the person they are talking about in this vid.

I'm not looking for any sympathy. I lost my head at the start of all this but have taken a step back in the last few weeks and am trying to look at things with more balance. I don't think everything the government does deserves the automatic criticism but at the same time I don't disagree that our reaction has been a shambles. I think the same of pretty much every western nation and I do think the measurements of deaths etc does need to be taken fully when all this is over to get the true picture.

If anyone fancies popping a message of support on the vid (obviously you don't have to) I'm sure the family would appreciate it.

Is what it is. The bloke has an underlying condition but obviously wasn't on death's door before this. We're all hoping he recovers.

Unfortunately Steve passed away this morning. Gutted for his immediate family obviously but at the same time suppose it's good he's not in any more pain.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Unfortunately Steve passed away this morning. Gutted for his immediate family obviously but at the same time suppose it's good he's not in any more pain.

Sorry to hear mate

Best wishes to the family

 

[RAFUH]

Yeah ive read the smoking thing, but the BP thing is the main thing, we have constantly been told thats very bad.

To better interpret that data point, I would want a break down on the hypertensive group as to what medications they take given the ARB receptor involvement with COVID 19

 

[Goat]

To better interpret that data point, I would want a break down on the hypertensive group as to what medications they take given the ARB receptor involvement with COVID 19

Also theres a huge difference.

As you say, lots on different medication, lots of different levels, I mean im on the lowest dose currently and my BP was borderline, the Dr put me on them for a preventive measure, but at the other end of the scale are the people who had massive numbers and who are on the max dosage.

So yeah, you cant label everybody the same.

 

[Grinch]

Also theres a huge difference.

As you say, lots on different medication, lots of different levels, I mean im on the lowest dose currently and my BP was borderline, the Dr put me on them for a preventive measure, but at the other end of the scale are the people who had massive numbers and we are on the max dosage.

So yeah, you cant label everybody the same.

To me it seems like all these orgs just are trying to cover everything under the moon and no one actual knows whats going on.

 

[BlueToff]

Sorry to hear mate

Best wishes to the family

Thanks mate.

I'd only met him a few times - my dad is a bit gutted but is what it is.

 

[BrendanGOT]

Seen a few studies that are suggesting that THIS is currently the 2nd wave, the thinking is that the first wave was less lethal.

We need antibody tests yesterday.

Me and my missus were absolutely wiped out in Nov/Dec time with a flu like no other. Couldve been the flu like but it was mentally bad. Lasted like 3 weeks or so. Seen many others say the same. Good news if this is 2nd wave tbh

 

[Brisan123]

Either did I until faced with it
It can be done ,just needs a proactive employer (@or one who is to mean to stay closed )
It just means thinking outside the box,finding the pinch points and eliminating them

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Thanks mate.

I'd only met him a few times - my dad is a bit gutted but is what it is.

Its awful mate - I just hope at the end of all this big changes are made to all this wet market nonsense and humans stop messing about with nature and start respecting it.

If we ignore this then everyone who has died of the likes of this and SARS etc. will have died for nothing and it will only be a matter of time until the next virus pops along.

 

[RAFUH]

To me it seems like all these orgs just are trying to cover everything under the moon and no one actual knows whats going on.

Yes, of course we should expect to have full understanding of a never before seen disease within a few months.

 

[BrendanGOT]

Unfortunately Steve passed away this morning. Gutted for his immediate family obviously but at the same time suppose it's good he's not in any more pain.

Sorry to hear mate hope you're OK!