Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[peteblue]

No, I dont. I just think they dont give a flying one other than how much it hurts politically....which is why this disaster has happened on THEIR watch.

The coronavirus would have miraculously avoided the U.K. if Corbyn had won ?.....

 

[Walken]

I imagine if there's one there more. Fingers crossed eh

absolutely mate, got to stay positive

 

[BlueToff]

My dad's cousin (Steve) is the person they are talking about in this vid.

I'm not looking for any sympathy. I lost my head at the start of all this but have taken a step back in the last few weeks and am trying to look at things with more balance. I don't think everything the government does deserves the automatic criticism but at the same time I don't disagree that our reaction has been a shambles. I think the same of pretty much every western nation and I do think the measurements of deaths etc does need to be taken fully when all this is over to get the true picture.

If anyone fancies popping a message of support on the vid (obviously you don't have to) I'm sure the family would appreciate it.

Is what it is. The bloke has an underlying condition but obviously wasn't on death's door before this. We're all hoping he recovers.

 

[Walken]

From what I`m reading most planes are at most 25% full, leaving plenty of room for social isolation, so I doubt very much whether they are all sat next to each other as such.

A vast number of passenger planes have removed their seats and are now acting as cargo planes only due to lack of passengers.

We`ve never been lockdown like the likes of Spain, as their hospitals were over flowing and their health system was collapsing, they simply had no other option.

The likes of Greece simply didn`t have the health care system from day one to cope with their health system being swamped, so they locked down.

Every country has it`s own reasons for doing what it did.

We`ll only truly find out who was right and who was wrong when all this is over.

brexit means brex.... I mean lockdown means lockdown!

 

[COYBL25]

That’s a big question for me that hasn’t been answered. We heard about Spain’s health system been overwhelmed same for Italy. Even story’s of them taking ventilators from the old to save the young. We have been told all along are NHS hasn’t been overwhelmed so how have we ended up with the most deaths in Europe.

I`m sure someone clever than me can explain the variance between the way different countries record their numbers mate.

I was reading something today, that said that if the Italians were recording theirs the same way we are with ours, that their death rate would be way over forty thousand,

 

[Dixieslaces]

They are sat next to each other - social distancing? Are they tested ?do they go into 14 day isolation?
Don't care who they are the rest of the country is in lockdown
This is not lockdown in any sense of imagination..,
You are aware it's been reported some nurses have had covid 19 with no symptoms......after a test ......other countries lockdown means lockdown....
What happened to the isolation units on the Wirral early on - nothing reported about this lately........

I can state without question that a friend who got stuck in the Philippines for the last 7 weeks returned on a flight, full, no spacing, temperature took before flight but on landing in UK, no checks, no distancing at airport and no advice to quarantine other than if felt unwell, so this does bear your statement out to a degree.

Crazy that we are so relaxed about it in the UK.

 

[maccavennie]

Love this fella's chanel. He's like an american Louis Thereoux, only he hardly talks. He just lets people talk.
This is easily the best thing he's done. As funny as it is, it is equally terrifying.

Just 1 person and you'd mark it off as an anomaly... but this many idiotic people together...

He is exactly like Thereoux isn't he lol

The fella from 2.04 and the woman saying her 3 kids are sick and in the car due to 5g!

Crazy stuff. Fella is just boss, shove a mic in front of someone alokg with a camera and you'll always get comedy gold.

 

[peteblue]

Professor Neil Ferguson's record for 'predicting' the outcomes of diseases using his modelling has been abysmal to say the least.

"When it comes to wildly inaccurate predictions Prof. Ferguson’s work at Imperial College has a long and distinguished history. In 2002, he said that 50,000 people in the UK would die from “mad cow disease”, to date less than 200 have passed away; he predicted 200 million global deaths from the H5N1 bird flu. Currently it is a suspected factor in the deaths of 455 people world wide; in 2009 he told the UK Government that 65,000 could die from swine flu in the UK and worked with the World Health Organisation to predict millions of deaths from the H1N1 global flu pandemic.

Suspected resultant UK deaths from swine flu were estimated to be 457 and the global total showed 18,500 laboratory-confirmed deaths from the H1N1 pandemic".

No wonder some in Australia are tearing into the UK government and 'experts',
Coronavirus: Where did the UK's COVID-19 response go wrong?

"Says David Hunter, an Australian-educated professor of epidemiology and medicine at the University of Oxford: "It's very easy in hindsight to state the obvious, which is that the lockdown came too late.

"The British response so far is not a model to follow. It has one of the worst epidemics in Europe and the world. That may have happened anyway. There's no way to know for sure, but some aspects of the response have almost certainly contributed to the high mortality."

indeed, as I said, this guy and his predictions have been a major cause of panic, and now he’s using this to sneak away.....

 

[davek]

The coronavirus would have miraculously avoided the U.K. if Corbyn had won ?.....

You need to put your head down in shame supporting the butchers responsible for this.

 

[ramacca]

This is exactly the problem isn’t it. We have the likes of Ferguson predicting huge swathes of deaths, and his track record in this regard is pretty hopeless. Even though he supports lockdown and would like it to continue he then breaches it himself.
We then have the likes of Whitty thinking that air travel doesn’t need to stop. It’s pretty damn obvious that disease spreads quicker through a mobile and moving species, so if you’re going to lockdown internally then you have to do it externally also...close the borders.
So we have key scientific advisors who don’t know what they are really doing. Ultimately a pair of statisticians who have little to draw comparison to other than a flu epidemic a century ago.
People are blaming Boris...but ultimately he is a lay person and has to rely on the “scientists”. He is between a rock and a hard place....ignore the so called experts and get blamed for every death. Or go with what they say and get blamed for overseeing the strategy that caused deaths. There is no win here.

Taking back control of our borders was Johnson et al mantra and it was their decision not to halt air travel from hot spots and not test passengers at airports, as an economic decision and the science 'fitted in with it'. In other words, those in scientific and medical positions wouldn't last two minutes if the Tories didn't agree with them and need them to 'present' the science that backs up the Tory governments thinking. Whitty is chief of health but not once has he criticised the government over PPE or testing. And he's the ultimate head of doctors and nurses welfare.

Similarly with the lockdown. The Tories were slow to react because they didn't want to 'hurt' the economy hence their ambiguous, inconsistent and incoherent messages about going to work or not. What did Johnson say, 'take it on the chin' and Cummins 'let the old die' rather than shut down the economy. Vallance and Whitty are in their positions because the Tories like the noises that come from the 'experts'. Tories own this mess and no hiding behind 'the medical and scientific advice' will do. They'll never entertain those like Richard Horton and John Ashton who have been critical of the government and the 'science'.

 

[Charro]

Biggest problem in this country is we never really went into a proper lockdown.

 

[Wat Tyler]

Meanwhile at BBC North Korea

 

[peteblue]

You need to put your head down in shame supporting the butchers responsible for this.

Just reading about the irrational destructivism of the left regarding this pandemic. Basically suggesting that it’s not what has taken place that really bothers them, but that it’s the fact that it’s the Tories and Boris in particular that they wish to politically beat up.....Objectivity 0 - Politics 1.....

 

[ramacca]

That’s a big question for me that hasn’t been answered. We heard about Spain’s health system been overwhelmed same for Italy. Even story’s of them taking ventilators from the old to save the young. We have been told all along are NHS hasn’t been overwhelmed so how have we ended up with the most deaths in Europe.

The NHS would have been overwhelmed, if those in care homes, those cared for in the community and those that were told to self isolate and died at home, were actually taken into hospital and treated and cared for as they should have been. Instead they were left to suffer in care homes and in the community and not treated. Those Nightingale hospitals should have been built late February when they were spouting herd immunity. Which would always mean the old and vulnerable were at risk from such a policy. A scandalous shame for this government.

 

[peteblue]

Taking back control of our borders was Johnson et al mantra and it was their decision not to halt air travel from hot spots and not test passengers at airports, as an economic decision and the science 'fitted in with it'. In other words, those in scientific and medical positions wouldn't last two minutes if the Tories didn't agree with them and need them to 'present' the science that backs up the Tory governments thinking. Whitty is chief of health but not once has he criticised the government over PPE or testing. And he's the ultimate head of doctors and nurses welfare.

Similarly with the lockdown. The Tories were slow to react because they didn't want to 'hurt' the economy hence their ambiguous, inconsistent and incoherent messages about going to work or not. What did Johnson say, 'take it on the chin' and Cummins 'let the old die' rather than shut down the economy. Vallance and Whitty are in their positions because the Tories like the noises that come from the 'experts'. Tories own this mess and no hiding behind 'the medical and scientific advice' will do. They'll never entertain those like Richard Horton and John Ashton who have been critical of the government and the 'science'.

So once this is all sorted, you will fully agree with taking back control of our borders and keeping undesirables out. Or will you change your mind.....