Dharma
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Wouldn't be surprised to find he's opposed to ending the lockdown for the obvious reasons and they've hung him out to dry.
Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!
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tsubaki
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that was my first thought, but that name on the byline has made me doubt it a bit
davek
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The media ARE coming after SAGE though. No question. I bet the rancid politicians who are really to blame have had a hand in that too.
Professor Neil Ferguson's record for 'predicting' the outcomes of diseases using his modelling has been abysmal to say the least.
"When it comes to wildly inaccurate predictions Prof. Ferguson’s work at Imperial College has a long and distinguished history. In 2002, he said that 50,000 people in the UK would die from “mad cow disease”, to date less than 200 have passed away; he predicted 200 million global deaths from the H5N1 bird flu. Currently it is a suspected factor in the deaths of 455 people world wide; in 2009 he told the UK Government that 65,000 could die from swine flu in the UK and worked with the World Health Organisation to predict millions of deaths from the H1N1 global flu pandemic.
Suspected resultant UK deaths from swine flu were estimated to be 457 and the global total showed 18,500 laboratory-confirmed deaths from the H1N1 pandemic".
No wonder some in Australia are tearing into the UK government and 'experts',
Coronavirus: Where did the UK's COVID-19 response go wrong?
"Says David Hunter, an Australian-educated professor of epidemiology and medicine at the University of Oxford: "It's very easy in hindsight to state the obvious, which is that the lockdown came too late.
"The British response so far is not a model to follow. It has one of the worst epidemics in Europe and the world. That may have happened anyway. There's no way to know for sure, but some aspects of the response have almost certainly contributed to the high mortality."
"When it comes to wildly inaccurate predictions Prof. Ferguson’s work at Imperial College has a long and distinguished history. In 2002, he said that 50,000 people in the UK would die from “mad cow disease”, to date less than 200 have passed away; he predicted 200 million global deaths from the H5N1 bird flu. Currently it is a suspected factor in the deaths of 455 people world wide; in 2009 he told the UK Government that 65,000 could die from swine flu in the UK and worked with the World Health Organisation to predict millions of deaths from the H1N1 global flu pandemic.
Suspected resultant UK deaths from swine flu were estimated to be 457 and the global total showed 18,500 laboratory-confirmed deaths from the H1N1 pandemic".
No wonder some in Australia are tearing into the UK government and 'experts',
Coronavirus: Where did the UK's COVID-19 response go wrong?
"Says David Hunter, an Australian-educated professor of epidemiology and medicine at the University of Oxford: "It's very easy in hindsight to state the obvious, which is that the lockdown came too late.
"The British response so far is not a model to follow. It has one of the worst epidemics in Europe and the world. That may have happened anyway. There's no way to know for sure, but some aspects of the response have almost certainly contributed to the high mortality."
Going by national stereotypes I doubt many would have pegged Greeks as natural government rule followers but their handling of lockdown, both by numbers and @marnie anecdotal accounts, appears exemplary.
Consistent publoc messaging can make huge difference and the UK’s ”herd immunity” thrust at the start likely complicated things a lot.
davek
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Individual witchdoctors and poor strategy - massive. But massive when it happens after a decade or more of undermining and fatally weaking the NHS, the domestic diagnostic industry, and allowing social care to become a very poor relation in terms of funding and oversight.
The two worst performing nations are the two that advocated unfettered markets, insinuating into and taking over our social and economic lives: the UK and US.
The Tories own this and the 'experts' are positioning themselves to blame one another and the government.
davek
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Everyone accepts now that things went badly wrong at the outset. 'Slow off the mark'. That's the unshakeable narrative. It's why Butcher Johnson has made himself scarce again and again. He wants his underlings to own the failure.
For the 'experts' and politicians to fall out underlines just how catastrophic the situation is. A ruling class in disarray.
Not at all...coroners are not virologists and cannot say with any certainty whether PPE or a lack thereof contributes to a particular death when compared to another.
PPE can help protect, but it is not guaranteed to keep a virus from infecting someone. There is a great difference between a face mask + disposable gown and a full hazchem suit for example.
Until such time as the precise effectiveness of the available types of PPE is known we can’t start drawing conclusions about whether it’s lack of availability caused a particular persons death.
And the definitive effectiveness of PPE will not be known until we know exactly how covid 19 is spread and how long it remains live and potentially infectious on all surfaces found in hospitals and in the air.
From what I`m reading most planes are at most 25% full, leaving plenty of room for social isolation, so I doubt very much whether they are all sat next to each other as such.
A vast number of passenger planes have removed their seats and are now acting as cargo planes only due to lack of passengers.
We`ve never been lockdown like the likes of Spain, as their hospitals were over flowing and their health system was collapsing, they simply had no other option.
The likes of Greece simply didn`t have the health care system from day one to cope with their health system being swamped, so they locked down.
Every country has it`s own reasons for doing what it did.
We`ll only truly find out who was right and who was wrong when all this is over.
Same with the traffic. I think the great British public have spoken with their actions.
peteblue
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I certainly will....
This is exactly the problem isn’t it. We have the likes of Ferguson predicting huge swathes of deaths, and his track record in this regard is pretty hopeless. Even though he supports lockdown and would like it to continue he then breaches it himself.
We then have the likes of Whitty thinking that air travel doesn’t need to stop. It’s pretty damn obvious that disease spreads quicker through a mobile and moving species, so if you’re going to lockdown internally then you have to do it externally also...close the borders.
So we have key scientific advisors who don’t know what they are really doing. Ultimately a pair of statisticians who have little to draw comparison to other than a flu epidemic a century ago.
People are blaming Boris...but ultimately he is a lay person and has to rely on the “scientists”. He is between a rock and a hard place....ignore the so called experts and get blamed for every death. Or go with what they say and get blamed for overseeing the strategy that caused deaths. There is no win here.
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
The cow, she told me you were gay.....
Tony101
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That’s a big question for me that hasn’t been answered. We heard about Spain’s health system been overwhelmed same for Italy. Even story’s of them taking ventilators from the old to save the young. We have been told all along are NHS hasn’t been overwhelmed so how have we ended up with the most deaths in Europe.
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