Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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peteblue said:
I read that they do. Hence why I say, don’t use their numbers for comparison.....
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Haven’t read myself mate but wouldn’t correct you if you did. Just wouldn’t be like them and zero motivation in my opinion, Merkel is painted into that job, even if she was to go down tomorrow she would have had a huge career.

Like I say they are leading the way in Europe with testing, early intervention, antibody testing, produce their own PPE (30-40% of all our infections are health care workers) and have contact tracing technology. They have got a lot right very early, while we are scrambling on some of the above (still).
 
Neiler said:
I notice that mate, but it was only yesterday the government said that it didn't have access to that information. Maybe im being dim, but how i read the graph is they have UK RIP's at the total hospital number figures and the including everything else figure at 5k. So that would have the actual RIP rate at 18k. I'm not quite sure what everything else is????, im assuming its community and care homes. That seems conservative to me, nursing homes alone are accounting for 50% of most countries totals. Certainly we have had an awful outcome over here and we closed all visiting in them before March.

Id be critical of the UK overall RIP figure on the care home aspect alone and how its reported, but like i say i hope they just arent organised enough. Because that is a critical number in protecting the most vulnerable and only appeared to be an issue of recognition this week. I dont trust any countries infection rate to be honest as its only as good as your testing. if you release lock down and arent doing significant testing a s country you are only fooling yourself.

Again though i acknowledge where you are voing from though, its a guide, peoples lives have been disrupted and threatened and as such this info is important for those that are effected. But id be very very much be treating as a guide and each country has a varying level of compantancey around it.
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To my mind agency workers through no fault of their own were a major factor in the spread in nursing homes in Ireland
Bare minimum staffing levels meant a high dependency on agency staff who could work in 5 different homes in one week
 
RAFUH said:


The U.S. is enduring a "very bad week" during the COVID-19 pandemic, Dr. Anthony Fauci says. But he also says that the American public's embrace of physical separation and other restrictions is sharply reducing projections of the death toll from the respiratory virus.

The final toll currently "looks more like 60,000 than the 100,000 to 200,000" that U.S. officials previously estimated, Fauci said.
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Here's hoping. But looking at 2,500 people per day is frightening atm
 
peteblue said:
Indeed. Which tells me they are treating patients no differently than France, the U.K. or USA. So the difference is how the data is recorded, and that’s not a problem, provided everyone knows and don’t go putting countries on a pedestal Because of some nebulous reporting criteria....see China......
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Maybe they protected their old folks better or have fewer at risk people, etc.
Saying the numbers are different because of reporting differences is just a silly as saying Germany has different treatment. It is one of many potential variables.

Picking a favorite variable doesnt make it the right one or the only one.
 
peteblue said:
I read that they do. Hence why I say, don’t use their numbers for comparison.....
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Assume for one moment that you are correct Pete.

So say a town normally has 100 deaths in typical March with 20 of them being heart attacks, 20 strokes, 20 car accidents, 20 care home deaths (old age/DNR etc) and 20 other

However this March they had 10 COVID deaths - all of which they lumped into the heart attack category.

That town will overall still have 110 deaths for March 2020 which will show up in reporting - even if you don’t notice the spike in heart attacks you’ll see in in their overall numbers. Or from data from funeral homes, or an increase in death notices in papers. A big increase, as we’ve seen in other countries will show up in some metric, somewhere.

And yet for Germany it hasn’t, at least no data I have been able to find.

So unless that data turns up perhaps things like Germany doing 20,000 tests per million population compared to France‘s 5,000 might be a useful avenue to explore.
www.worldometers.info

Coronavirus Update (Live): 2,171,554 Cases and 144,858 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer

Live statistics and coronavirus news tracking the number of confirmed cases, recovered patients, tests, and death toll due to the COVID-19 coronavirus from Wuhan, China. Coronavirus counter with new cases, deaths, and number of tests per 1 Million population. Historical data and info. Daily...
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LinekersLegs said:
But that would still show up in excess deaths figures - which to date there is no sign of


Germany have an aggressive testing and contact tracing program which could well spot cases early which could be particularly important to a) stop infections of the more vulnerable and b) enable those sick to get treatment earlier.
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Exactly
You get one case in a nursing home ,you trace all contacts and isolate them
Stops it being transferred to other care homes
 
Brisan123 said:
To my mind agency workers through no fault of their own were a major factor in the spread in nursing homes in Ireland
Bare minimum staffing levels meant a high dependency on agency staff who could work in 5 different homes in one week
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Absolutely a chara and in Ireland there is a variety of private and public business models to residential care. The DOH were laughable around their management of this, they criticised nursing home groups for restricting visitors before Paddy’s weekend as beng over reactive. Its proven to have saved a lot of lives.

Healthcare workers are now the biggest risk to our nursing homes, passing on through community transmission. They’ve had an awful time, on reflection they were lost, forgotten and risks and needs not quickly detected acknowledged and acted on by the Goverment here and maybe by us all as a society.
 
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Neiler said:
Absolutely a chara and in Ireland there is a variety of private and public business models to residential care. The DOH were laughable around their management of this, they criticised nursing home groups for restricting visitors before Paddy’s weekend as beng over reactive. Its proven to have saved a lot of lives.

Healthcare workers are now the biggest risk to our nursing homes, passing on through community transmission. They’ve had an awful time, on reflection they were lost or or not of quickly enough by the Goverment here and maybe by us as a society.
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Talking to my 81 yr old mother today
She said she does not care if she goes gaga,she is dying at home and not going into a home
 
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