Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[marnie]

Sausages and beer

I make them right on that one.

 

[Walken]

Maybe if they test and trace early they stop the virus getting to the older more vulnerable members of society
The older people are generally less socially active so by cutting out those with the virus early the elderly are less likely to come into contact with a positive case
The Germans also take instruction better more than most

They have a leader who can explain science in concise terms treating the public like adults, we have one who forms entire sentences with cheek wobbling noises

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

But France and Germany have almost exactly the same Confirmed Cases at about 135K....so why do 4-5 times more French die ?.....

For exactly the reason I already told you.

Getmany have tested FAR more people than France, to find the same number of cases. So they will have found a larger proportion of their total cases.

more pertinently, they will have found (and therefore added to the “confirmed” pile loads of much less serious cases, without really increasing the number of deaths.

France on the other hand have tested much less, so more of their 135k cases will be serious ones - ie cases where the person has wound up in hospital (and been tested there). Same with us.

The actual death rates will be (broadly) similar - Germany’s is just more accurate, due to more testing.

I honestly don’t know how many more ways I can explain it to you.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

TBF state funding on healthcare is not an especially reliable indicator of how good a system is. For example, the federal government in the US spends (based on 2018 figures for medicare and medicaid) just over £3000 per capita on it.

Using any part of the American health care system as a comparison should send shivers down everyone's spine in UK now...

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

TBF state funding on healthcare is not an especially reliable indicator of how good a system is. For example, the federal government in the US spends (based on 2018 figures for medicare and medicaid) just over £3000 per capita on it.

Aye, and it’s £3000 per capita of the entire population... even though all that money only provides coverage for a small% of that population.

 

[ToffeeTim]

I dont really agree with telling the public the exit plan well in advance. Of course it will have an effect. Dates and specifics are not needed. We need to be patient.

If we say that something is opening on X date then people will start to become less committed in following the rules. A perception that things are about to be lifted will encourage lots to act like the rules have already been lifted.

 

[PSB1]

If you need to go on a ventilator do they need to put you into an induced coma?

Yes. It's an uncomfortable procedure - an "induced coma". Also a muscle relaxant is used.

 

[Toast]

Yes. It's an uncomfortable procedure. Also a muscle relaxant is used.

#Aldofest

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

A doctor on QT tonight revealed that Britain spend £2,000 per capita on health; Germany £3,000.

Probably explains why NHS bosses have been stating for years, they are short of staff, and they desperately attempted to intervene in the election, and again just before the budget.

Nine in 10 NHS bosses say staffing crisis endangering patients

In dramatic election intervention, hospital chiefs warn parties not to make false promises

www.theguardian.com

Workforce crisis leaves the NHS teetering on the brink - but there is a way forward | Kailash Chand

Ministers must act where others have failed and put prevention rather than treatment at the heart of the healthcare system

www.theguardian.com

 

[ToffeeTim]

Maybe if they test and trace early they stop the virus getting to the older more vulnerable members of society
The older people are generally less socially active so by cutting out those with the virus early the elderly are less likely to come into contact with a positive case
The Germans also take instruction better more than most

Is it possible to accurately contact trace in a country as big as Britain? I'm only thinking out loud here and really have no idea. It just sounds very difficult to actually do in practice in countries with lots of movement and high populations?

 

[Groucho]

I hope you are a little person because I will be pushing you out of the way if so lol

I am not

 

[tsubaki]

I dont really agree with telling the public the exit plan well in advance. Of course it will have an effect. Dates and specifics are not needed. We need to be patient.

If we say that something is opening on X date then people will start to become less committed in following the rules. A perception that things are about to be lifted will encourage lots to act like the rules have already been lifted.

There is nothing wrong with telling people how the exit is likely to be managed; lots of countries have done that.

What needs to stop is all the "a Downing Street source said..." guff, which causes confusion and often undermines what official messaging is going out.

I'd also ban Sturgeon from these COBR meetings because she clearly isn't respecting the principle that things should only be announced once, not by her and then by someone else slightly differently a few hours later later.

 

[paultheblue]

I cancelled my subs to Bat Weekly, so cant help.

I don't blame you mate it's just not been worth the money since they scrapped the recipe page.

 

[tsubaki]

Is it possible to accurately contact trace in a country as big as Britain? I'm only thinking out loud here and really have no idea. It just sounds very difficult to actually do in practice in countries with lots of movement and high populations?

Yes, all that is missing is the staff required to carry it out and a public that understands that the things they've been carrying around all day without the slightest bother for years do not turn into THIS IS AN OUTRAGE WHAT HAPPENED TO BRITISH FREEDOMS THAT MY GRANDAD FOUGHT FOR HOW DARE YOU FIND OUT WHO I AM FROM THE PHONE REGISTERED IN MY NAME just because the man wants to use them to find out whether they are ill.

 

[ToffeeTim]

There is nothing wrong with telling people how the exit is likely to be managed; lots of countries have done that.

What needs to stop is all the "a Downing Street source said..." guff, which causes confusion and often undermines what official messaging is going out.

I'd also ban Sturgeon from these COBR meetings because she clearly isn't respecting the principle that things should only be announced once, not by her and then by someone else slightly differently a few hours later later.

Explaining it all in advance gives a perception that could make people complacent. I can see the risks of it. Its better to manage expectations and be cautious in these circumstances.

The sources stuff is a load of rubbish. I've never understood why journalists give it so much weight.