Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[roydo]

The UK’s numbers are following Spain, Italy and France. Sweden’s numbers are also keeping in step with the U.K. so I would think they are broadly correct. The only EU country out of step really is Germany and I simply do not believe their death numbers for Covid19 anyway, they’ve just put the deaths down to other issues......

I think you may correct there. I have been a bit annoyed that everyone who died in the UK who had CV was flagged as a CV death, many maybe were, no idea, but at least the message has got through as a result.

By minimising its impact, maybe Germany will have an unwanted result down the line. Just musing, bored, and annoyed at the crap crossword today though.

 

[Catfish Blues]

I havnt a clue how they measure the R number, but I get the basic message that under 1 means it isnt infecting anyone. That right?

If so, after a few weeks of under R1, does it die or sommet? Or remain dormant on hosts till it gets the chance to start being a kopite again?

1 means that every person that's got infects one more person.

Less than one, means it's still transmitting, but it's infecting less people, so, overall, in terms on infectious people, it's reducing. In theory if it's really low, then it would die out, but, in practice, there'd always be the odd flare up here and there. But small flare ups should be controllable via testing, isolating and contact tracing.

 

[Brisan123]

Only if the mask matched my trainers LL. X

So thats what they mean by carpets and curtains matching

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

The UK’s numbers are following Spain, Italy and France. Sweden’s numbers are also keeping in step with the U.K. so I would think they are broadly correct. The only EU country out of step really is Germany and I simply do not believe their death numbers for Covid19 anyway, they’ve just put the deaths down to other issues......

Well, your views on Germans are pretty well publicised...

 

[peteblue]

Well, your views on Germans are pretty well publicised...

Then if the numbers are correct they have some magical Hospital treatment that is unknown to any other European nation...or they put down a different cause of death...

 

[Armchair Blue]

Yeah the nursing home residents theory doesn’t seem to fit with the Wales data as the skew is working age. Is there a good testing program for healthcare workers in Wales? About 75% are female iirc so if they make up a high number fo the tested that may make a difference.

There is no hospitalized vs positive numbers or a breakdown of the deaths by age/sex so hard to know if that difference in cases is being reflected in more severe outcomes.

Welsh government have been testing health care workers since the beginning of march.

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

Then if the numbers are correct they have some magical Hospital treatment that is unknown to any other European nation...or they put down a different cause of death...

They've carried out nearly 6x the number of tests that we have.

 

[davmaher]

Our company never thought we could but somehow managed it
Opened extra canteens
Enforced split break times
You clock in but dont have to clock out as thats where people congregate
Allowed come to work in overalls which was always a no no ,so no need to be in locker rooms
Temp taken at the start of every shift
Small temporary workshops set up for maintenance ,only 2 allowed in at one time
2 face masks given every day
It can be done ,just means thinking outside the box
Building sites is a different matter

We've done exactly the same type of things for our production and warehousing and it is working surprisingly well. I heard a discussion on the radio this morning and people there were ringing in to say exactly the same thing.

 

[peteblue]

They've carried out nearly 6x the number of tests that we have.

Excellent. But the contagion seems to be pretty well predictable across Europe and indeed the USA. They have over 130,000 with the virus, similar to France, so, test or no test, why are their 130,000 less likely to die than the French. Identifying it is one issue, but once you have it what is the differing determinant factor in survival. I would really like to know, as would I am sure France, Italy, Spain and the USA.....

 

[LinekersLegs]

Then if the numbers are correct they have some magical Hospital treatment that is unknown to any other European nation...or they put down a different cause of death...

But that would still show up in excess deaths figures - which to date there is no sign of


Germany have an aggressive testing and contact tracing program which could well spot cases early which could be particularly important to a) stop infections of the more vulnerable and b) enable those sick to get treatment earlier.

 

[davek]

There`s a good doc on Youtube - the Origin of the Wuhan Coranavirus.

It`s not a tin foil hat job, give it a watch and see what you think.

I`ve deliberately avoided commenting on it due to fear of being reported to the CCP secret police by their UK representative Chairman @davek

 

[sageyefc]

Excellent. But the contagion seems to be pretty well predictable across Europe and indeed the USA. They have over 130,000 with the virus, similar to France, so, test or no test, why are their 130,000 less likely to die than the French. Identifying it is one issue, but once you have it what is the differing determinant factor in survival. I would really like to know, as would I am sure France, Italy, Spain and the USA.....

They’re a well run country and their health system seems way more prepared to deal with this than any other country. For example I think they have 5x more ventilators than what France has for a start

 

[peteblue]

But that would still show up in excess deaths figures - which to date there is no sign of


Germany have an aggressive testing and contact tracing program which could well spot cases early which could be particularly important to stop infections of the more vulnerable and enable those sick to get treatment earlier.

The USA are testing millions, but the deaths keep rising. In a population, if 100,000 have the virus, and we know that the medical provision of most Western countries is of a similar standard, then really you would expect a similar death toll. Unless you are treating patients differently, which they are not....If they had some magic bullet every other country would be all over it, and yet......

 

[peteblue]

They’re a well run country and their health system seems way more prepared to deal with this than any other country. For example I think they have 5x more ventilators than what France has for a start

It doesn’t matter If they have 20x the number of ventilators, what matters is having enough for the number requiring ventilators, and no one from France or Italy is saying that they are overloaded.....

 

[roydo]

They’re a well run country and their health system seems way more prepared to deal with this than any other country. For example I think they have 5x more ventilators than what France has for a start

Well we are an ok run country, with a pretty epic health system as well. France isnt exactly 3rd world neither. It does seem odd.