Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Walken]

What's in it for them to be blowing up their own economy or be making viruses they have no vaccine for?

Has anybody ever engineered a virus?

the umbrella corporation, they are about as real as @OnlyBlueWillDo 's theories

 

[Walken]

Coronavirus: Capt Tom Moore's NHS fundraiser hits £17m

As he completed the 100th lap of his garden earlier, Capt Tom Moore said: "I feel fine."

www.bbc.co.uk

take that @neil999

 

[Brisan123]

My gym used to have social distance methods in before this lockdown..

I agree with the damage to economy being too much to handle if keeps carrying on, depression, suicide, etc etc

Keep over 60s out of harm way, let the younger keep the economy going to some degree..

Yes people will catch it and have problems but MOST,vast majority wont..,

The only option imo

Not sure a lot of them can be trusted to if I am being honest

 

[Walken]

The excellent work being done in Kerala starting to be reported more

Coronavirus: How India's Kerala state 'flattened the curve'

India's first case came from Kerala, but it has been able to contain the virus unlike other states.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[SpongeBob brown shoes]

Is right.My missus' family all talk a load of *****.My family however, dosen't

Same here, funny that, also her side are all RS so that might answer a lot

 

[Catfish Blues]

The Chinese Government fibbing about the true extent of the virus with China (especially the casualty rates) = plausible

Also, a lot of the initial modelling done in Europe seems to have been based on an R number of about 2.5 ( I'm assuming, but don't know for sure, that was based on Chinese data ).

In reality, the R value seems to be a fair bit higher than that, I've recently seen ranges of 3.5 to 8 discussed, with a possible consensus tending towards being at the lower end of that range. That's a big difference, and only really became clear as the virus ripped through Northern Italy.

Now that difference could be at least partially down to different demographics, but it could also be down to the Chinese playing down the seriousness of the situation, which, if they did, has cost lives, especially in Italy and Spain.

 

[AncelottLee]

Obesity is clearly a huge risk factor. Lots of people seemingly avoiding this point which should be being made a bigger deal of. Seeing these photos of people who have sadly passed away is a bit of a clue and experts should be warning of this.

 

[roydo]

Also, a lot of the initial modelling done in Europe seems to have been based on an R number of about 2.5 ( I'm assuming, but don't know for sure, that was based on Chinese data ).

In reality, the R value seems to be a fair bit higher than that, I've recently seen ranges of 3.5 to 8 discussed, with a possible consensus tending towards being at the lower end of that range. That's a big difference, and only really became clear as the virus ripped through Northern Italy.

Now that difference could be at least partially down to different demographics, but it could also be down to the Chinese playing down the seriousness of the situation, which, if they did, has cost lives, especially in Italy and Spain.

I havnt a clue how they measure the R number, but I get the basic message that under 1 means it isnt infecting anyone. That right?

If so, after a few weeks of under R1, does it die or sommet? Or remain dormant on hosts till it gets the chance to start being a kopite again?

 

[Brisan123]

I just want footy back, everything else can stay locked down forever for all I care.

Even Greggs ??????????????

 

[neil999]

take that @neil999

Robot legs

 

[Gary Sutton]

I havnt a clue how they measure the R number, but I get the basic message that under 1 means it isnt infecting anyone. That right?

If so, after a few weeks of under R1, does it die or sommet? Or remain dormant on hosts till it gets the chance to start being a kopite again?

Theoretically it will die out and won’t having a living host within the island. However, anyone coming into the country could potentially introduce reinfection again...unless we quarantine new arrivals...

 

[LinekersLegs]

Also, a lot of the initial modelling done in Europe seems to have been based on an R number of about 2.5 ( I'm assuming, but don't know for sure, that was based on Chinese data ).

In reality, the R value seems to be a fair bit higher than that, I've recently seen ranges of 3.5 to 8 discussed, with a possible consensus tending towards being at the lower end of that range. That's a big difference, and only really became clear as the virus ripped through Northern Italy.

Now that difference could be at least partially down to different demographics, but it could also be down to the Chinese playing down the seriousness of the situation, which, if they did, has cost lives, especially in Italy and Spain.

It was

https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/who-china-joint-mission-on-covid-19-final-report.pdf

Transmission in Wuhan
Early cases identified in Wuhan are believed to be have acquired infection from a zoonotic source as many reported visiting or working in the Huanan Wholesale Seafood Market. As of 25 February, an animal source has not yet been identified.
At some point early in the outbreak, some cases generated human-to-human transmission chains that seeded the subsequent community outbreak prior to the implementation of the comprehensive control measures that were rolled out in Wuhan. The dynamics likely approximated mass action and radiated from Wuhan to other parts of Hubei province and China, which explains a relatively high R0 of 2-2.5.
The cordon sanitaire around Wuhan and neighboring municipalities imposed since 23 January 2020 has effectively prevented further exportation of infected individuals to the rest of the country.

 

[Brisan123]

Just seen the news it awful more nurses died ....this virus is depressing, and upsetting.to hear daily add the rest home figures soon and the true figures will esculate to even a bigger total Boris estimated we will do well if we lose only 20,O00 will be unfortunately be surpassed ......
It's a world changer for everyone......so sad .....

99.5% THAT TIME

 

[orchard]

Yeah the nursing home residents theory doesn’t seem to fit with the Wales data as the skew is working age. Is there a good testing program for healthcare workers in Wales? About 75% are female iirc so if they make up a high number fo the tested that may make a difference.

There is no hospitalized vs positive numbers or a breakdown of the deaths by age/sex so hard to know if that difference in cases is being reflected in more severe outcomes.

Staff is a good shout, eg nurses - I think caregivers/homes are poorly monitored uk-wide,but don't know.

 

[peteblue]

But that depends on the data sample. The WHO said yesterday, that RIP's from care homes were on average coming in at around 50% of total RIP's in European countries. So if the UK doesn't have data to a potential of 50% you have to question the validity of graphs like that, i dont believe the UK exists in a vacuum to the rest of Europe (political ideology aside). A potential missing 50% of overall RIP missing, is quite significant and impact in terms of trend.

The UK’s numbers are following Spain, Italy and France. Sweden’s numbers are also keeping in step with the U.K. so I would think they are broadly correct. The only EU country out of step really is Germany and I simply do not believe their death numbers for Covid19 anyway, they’ve just put the deaths down to other issues......