Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[ForeverBlue92]

From another forum I frequent, no idea how true this is though the poster (not a whopper at least based on previous posts) did say it came from a specialist at St Thomas':

• BJ was never on a ventilator but was on a cpap machine and was "really quite poorly"
• BJs hospitalisation coincided with a "massive" increase in "gardeners" working the hospital grounds
• there are 138 ventilated patients and 330 patients on cPap
• none of these are over 70. None of them are under 30
• intakes into Tommies for Covid19 are decreasing
• Covid19 came to the country from Birmingham Airport.
• from tracing the bloods they now know the virus has about 400 strains in UK.
• this is why some people show different symptoms. It's entirely possible to be exposed to hundreds of these strains and none of them will affect you.
• the mutated strains seem to be where an infected person infects another person who has something wrong with them. This creates a mutation. Depending on the recipients underlying illness or combination of this creates a new mutation.
• priority is to find a common strand for all mutations and halt that strand
• the PPE we ordered was from China. There was enough for everyone but on testing it was found to be only 95% accurate.
• Donald Trump invoked a law from after the second World War to prioritise buying all the stock from Roche in Germany.
• our PPE and testing is behind because we had to wait for more stock from Roche.

So if all above is true whats our chances of surviving infection sir?

 

[peteblue]

Maybe mate, it’s hard to draw conclusions based on the incomplete data in my opinion, but likely most countries infection rate are inaccurate. Our R-nought dropped to .9 today, do I trust it, no way, we’re not testing enough and we’re not badly per capita comparatively.

On reflection, you query Germany’s numbers and honesty, a lot of people query China’s numbers and honesty in reporting. If those suspicions are valid, you just have to query the validity of thee information the UK Goverment is releasing as its comparatively as is at worst suspicious and at best incomplete as the government themselves have acknowledged they don’t have the infrastructure in place to report the total RIPs figures outside of hospitals accurately, that could be a huge data set.

Im not trying to be damp blanket and I hope the UK smash the curve, but people are itching for restrictions to be lifted or to be told we’re on top of this. It’s important the public have a real sense of what’s going on, there is every possibility the UK RIP figures could be anything from double south, if they are that put a complety different spin on what, when and how things should happen next. People need accurate information.

There is a war going on outside of hospitals, I’m not sure people understand the clinical pathways of people on care homes, peoples DNR status is the vast majority of cases is pre determined, decided likely without a pandemic in mind, hence people with covid 19 are not being transferred from care homes to the acute setting and end of life of the virus is being manned in the care homes. They are becoming more hospices then Care Hones and complex medical need is being managed in these settings. This scenario isn’t being accounted for in the UKs figures.

I‘m not querying Germany’s honesty. Just how they record the cause of death. if they record the main cause, heart attack say, even if the deceased had Covid19, then that is probably different to France who would put it down to Covid19. This is why I query the numbers. I’m not saying anyone (apart from the Chinese) is lying just that there may be recording differences which then doesn’t help comparison.....

 

[peteblue]

I was probably a little obtuse with the last comment. Your question is a great question--why do two nations that have the same # of cases, more or less, have different death counts, if the disease is presumed to spread in a normal way through a population? But it also begs a similar question--why do two nations have the same # of cases, more or less, when one of these nations has tested 6x as many people? Unless the disease spreads differently among the two nations, it's reasonable to believe that the nation that has tested fewer people actually has far more cases than is actually reported. And so these two nations may have similar death rates if the case counts were both correct.

I‘m not aware that Germany has tested 6 times more people than France......

 

[SerenityNigh]

Looking at the US, surely their recent estimates of 60,000 are a massive understatement?

60k what?

 

[Prevenger17]

60k what?

Didn't they reduce their eventual death toll from 100,000 to 60,000? Or am I imagining that?

 

[RAFUH]

I don’t. I’m just looking for a sensible explanation as to why two first world countries, next door to each other, have the same number of Confirmed Cases, but one has 4x the number of deaths to the other. They have all been tested, all confirmed, but one group has a higher mortality rate. Yet if I suggest that Germany may record a death as heart failure yet France would record the same death as Covid19, everyone jumps in to say the German‘s are managing it better.....lunacy...

If they had a unknown treatment (medication or otherwise) that worked, they would have papers published and would be yelling from the mountain tops.

All data at this point is preliminary and should taken with a massive grain of salt. Analysis of the data comes later.
It will be years before we have a good understanding as many of folks that will be involved are a wee bit busy saving lives.

 

[Brisan123]

The daily figures are just for hospital deaths yes?
if so has anyone collated deaths at home and care homes?

Piers Morgan and the daily Mail have

 

[SerenityNigh]

I‘m not aware that Germany has tested 6 times more people than France......

France 333,807 tests
Germany 1,728,357

 

[Neiler]

I‘m not querying Germany’s honesty. Just how they record the cause of death. if they record the main cause, heart attack say, even if the deceased had Covid19, then that is probably different to France who would put it down to Covid19. This is why I query the numbers. I’m not saying anyone (apart from the Chinese) is lying just that there may be recording differences which then doesn’t help comparison.....

Are Germany doing that mate, I genuinely don’t know? Wouldn’t be like them.

I think they are leading the way on testing and early intervention.

 

[SerenityNigh]

Didn't they reduce their eventual death toll from 100,000 to 60,000? Or am I imagining that?

I have not seen that, although who knows what's going on here. POTUS is resurrecting the Easter Bunny and people are protesting at State Capitals. I hope Darwin was right, but surely some of the good and more fit people will pass away as well.

 

[peteblue]

If they had a unknown treatment (medication or otherwise) that worked, they would have papers published and would be yelling from the mountain tops.

All data at this point is preliminary and should taken with a massive grain of salt. Analysis of the data comes later.
It will be years before we have a good understanding as many of folks that will be involved are a wee bit busy saving lives.

Indeed. Which tells me they are treating patients no differently than France, the U.K. or USA. So the difference is how the data is recorded, and that’s not a problem, provided everyone knows and don’t go putting countries on a pedestal Because of some nebulous reporting criteria....see China......

 

[peteblue]

Are Germany doing that mate, I genuinely don’t know? Wouldn’t be like them.

I think they are leading the way on testing and early intervention.

I read that they do. Hence why I say, don’t use their numbers for comparison.....

 

[xena]

I don’t. I’m just looking for a sensible explanation as to why two first world countries, next door to each other, have the same number of Confirmed Cases, but one has 4x the number of deaths to the other. They have all been tested, all confirmed, but one group has a higher mortality rate. Yet if I suggest that Germany may record a death as heart failure yet France would record the same death as Covid19, everyone jumps in to say the German‘s are managing it better.....lunacy...

Don't know but could it be Germany testing so many they are going to find a lot of people with mild symptoms so don't even end up in hospital.France may only be testing people who are already in hospital similar to what uk are doing.

 

[Brisan123]

Most employers will may hay over this virus ... but then if you have a job to go back to in good health ....but I agree with you opportunism is there to be exploited .... by some of the unscrupulous ones ........ there will be many of them, but some will be considerate, but not many.......

back to 100%
On a more disturbing note I actually agree with everything joey said in that post lol

 

[RAFUH]

Didn't they reduce their eventual death toll from 100,000 to 60,000? Or am I imagining that?

I have not seen that, although who knows what's going on here. POTUS is resurrecting the Easter Bunny and people are protesting at State Capitals. I hope Darwin was right, but surely some of the good and more fit people will pass away as well.

The U.S. is enduring a "very bad week" during the COVID-19 pandemic, Dr. Anthony Fauci says. But he also says that the American public's embrace of physical separation and other restrictions is sharply reducing projections of the death toll from the respiratory virus.

The final toll currently "looks more like 60,000 than the 100,000 to 200,000" that U.S. officials previously estimated, Fauci said.